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Brazil

The ham
Bottas
Vettel

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PF1 pick 10 2016: 7th (1 win, 4 podiums), 2017: 17th (3 podiums)
Awards: Sergio perez trophy & Podium specialist
PF1 pick 3 2015: constructors 2nd, singles 5th
Autosport Gp 2016/17 - 5th
F1 Oracle 2017: 2nd (6 wins), 2016:5th (2wins)

Brazil
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Bottas

brazil gp 2017

1. lewis hamilton
2. max verstappen
3. sebastian vettel

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One & only - 'Iceman' Kimi Räikkönen

Pick 10|'18: /'17: P8{3P}/'16: P12{2P}/'14: P24{2P}
Top 3|'18: /'17: P4{8W},Team: P3 /'16: P8{1W},Team: P2
Group Pick'em|'17: P6{4P}/'16: P6{5P}
F1 Oracle|'18: /'17: P3{3W}/'16: P2{4W}

Hamilton
Bottas
Verstappen

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Pick 10 | 1st x3, 2nd x3, 3rd x7
2018: 5th | 2017: 6th | 2016: 8th | 2015: 2nd | 2014: 15th | 2013: 17th | 2012: 11th

Brazilian Grand Prix
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Sebastian Vettel

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Pick 10: 1 win, 8 podiums | 2016: 22nd | 2017: 21st | 2018: 3rd |
[size=85]Top Three: 9 wins, 26 podiums | 2016: 9th [6th] | 2017: 16th [6th] | 2018: 4th [4th] |

Brazil
1. HAM
2. BOT
3. VES

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Proudly supporting Force India first, Lewis Hamilton second.

Brazil

1. Hamilton
2. Bottas
3. Verstappen

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#Keep Fighting Michael

Brazil:
Hamilton
Bottas
Vettel

Brazil

1. Hamilton
2. Bottas
3. Vettel

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Races since last non RB, Merc, Ferrari winner - 118 & counting.

Non RB, Merc, Ferrari podiums won in Hybrid era - 300 spots available, 23 won

2017 WCC CPTTC - Jalopy Racing (Herb & Me)

Brazil

1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Vettel

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Top 10 Competition
2016: 12th, Podiums: 2nd Great Britain

Top 3 Competition
2016: 5th, Wins in: Spain, 1st Great Britain

F1 Oracle 2016: 2nd, Wins in: Australia, Russia, Canada, Great Britain

Group Pick'em 6th, Podiums: 2nd Monaco

With almost everybody picking Lewis to win, I'm afraid his quali error has this one looking like a pretty anticlimactic race. If Vettel takes the lead we might see some points scored, but if they finish in the order they're starting we'll get a whole lot of duck eggs.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

Herb and I the only ones who took Vettel?

How much were you hoping for Ham to get Raikkonen?

I almost came to adjust my picks on Saturday morning. But got distracted then fell asleep...

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Top Three Team Champions 2017 (With Jezza13)
Group Pick 'Em 2016 Champion

Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport ... a6a311f828


2017 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX RESULTS

A shock mistake on the first lap of qualifying pretty much swept the chances of half the field away along with the debris of Lewis Hamilton's car; confidence had been high in the newly-crowned World Champion to take victory, with all but two entrants staking their hopes on a victory for #44. And they would have been right, too - his pace was unstoppable!

But it wasn't to be. Sebastian Vettel duly claimed his first victory since the summer break, holding Valtteri Bottas a relatively comfortable distance behind and never really looking threatened after the pit stops. A fair number of people had foreseen the possibility of Bottas coming second (albeit to Hamilton), and that's where the majority of scoring comes from. There was also a brief moment where it seemed Hamilton might fight his way all the way through to 3rd, which would have netted a small number of people points.

In the end, the victory is determined by one thing: having Vettel to win. Two people did, and they take the joint win together (the third win for both contestants).

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First Place - 5 points
Herb, Bentrovato

Second Place - 3 points
mcdo, Exediron, Mayhem, Jenson's Understeer, TheDamus, cm97, robins13, Jezza13

The Rest - 0 points
Everybody Else

Not Really In the Championship Anymore Since He Never Starts
theferret

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Heading into this penultimate round of the Top Three Championship, the big question on everyone's mind was about the championship leader: would TypingChicane pull another strong result from the bag and clinch the title before Abu Dhabi? Outscoring mcdo by six points would have been enough to do it - but as it happened, TypingChicane came up with a rare 0, and mcdo picked up 3 much-needed points, bringing the battle for the top to just 4 points heading into the finale in the desert.

Behind the championship favorites, others scrambled to keep themselves in the picture: TheDamus, long sat in third place, picked up 3 points to remain in third place, and definitely within striking distance if the top two trip over each other in two weeks' time. Icemanjee1 and Black_Flag_11 failed to score, and are no longer in championship contention.

The contenders are rounded out by, bizarrely enough, a three-way tie on 70 points between Exediron, Bentrovato and Herb. All three could potentially win the championship in Abu Dhabi with a perfect podium and TypingChicane scoring no more than 1 point. Last of all, Icemanjee1 is still in the slimmest of title contention; a Perfect Podium in Abu Dhabi, combined with a no-score by TypingChicane (and pretty much everyone else ahead) would give him the victory on the second tiebreaker of wins.

Among those who are out of contention, the only positional change is the quiet sound of Lotus49 being jumped by robins13 for the honor of 14th place.

Individual Standings - Round Nineteen

1. TypingChicane --- 83 Points
2. mcdo --- 79 Points
3. TheDamus --- 75 Points
4. Exediron --- 70 Points (2 Perfect Podiums, 6 Wins)
5. Bentrovato --- 70 Points (2 Perfect Podiums, 3 Wins)
6. Herb -- 70 Points (1 Perfect Podium)
7. Icemanjee1 --- 69 Points
8. Black_Flag_11 --- 68 Points
9. Jezza13 --- 65 Points
10. Mayhem --- 60 Points
11. Jenson's Understeer --- 59 Points
12. cm97 --- 57 Points
13. Fountoukos13 --- 50 Points
14. robins13 --- 49 Points
15. Lotus49 --- 48 Points
16. Remmirath --- 42 Points
17. theferret --- 39 Points

Things remain tight and competitive in the team championship, with Jalopy Racing maintaining a slim lead atop the standings as they edge ever closer to a first championship. They won the round, scoring 8 points where no other team scored more than 6, and have bought themselves a bit of breathing room as a result. But not much!

Just six points back of the points leaders, the 2015 champions No Limit Excedrin Racing are back at the sharp end; having endured a season and a half of misery, they now sit within very realistic striking distance of claiming a historic second team championship. This would also give both No Limit drivers a second team title to their names, despite neither having won an individual title yet.

Right behind NLER sits another of the original powerhouse teams from 2015, McLotus. Their fortunes have waxed and waned, but they have remained part of the championship picture consistently, and at present they are the team best poised to score the team and driver double (a feat currently only achieved by GPG and No Limit Excedrin Racing in 2015).

The remaining team sitting within easy reach of championship glory in Abu Dhabi is the newly reformed Bernie's Bwoah (formerly known as Multi21, and another original team in DNA); with only 9 points to make up to the leaders, a maiden championship is very much still in reach for this veteran team.

A further eight points back are the defending champions of 2016, Mind Your Manors, leading the new team Drive Sauber by a single point. Consistency has dug the grave of both teams, but a miracle isn't out of reach; every remaining team is still in striking distance with a double Perfect Podium!

At the back, the inevitable has finally happened, and Sand Bag'n has caught the one-man team of Massa Attack. At present Massa Attack is still ahead on countback; will Bentrovato somehow be able to hold on and drag his team, absent a second driver since the summer break, into a spot other than last?

Team Standings - Round Nineteen

1. Jalopy Racing (Herb & Jezza13) --- 135 Points
2. No Limit Excedrin Racing (Exediron & Jenson's Understeer) --- 129 Points
3. McLotus (Lotus49 & mcdo) --- 127 Points
4. Bernie's Bwoah (Icemanjee1 & cm97) --- 126 Points
5. Mind Your Manors (Black_Flag_11 & Fountoukos13) --- 118 Points
6. Drive Sauber (Remmirath & TheDamus) --- 117 Points
7. Massa Attack (theferret & Bentrovato) --- 109 Points (2 Perfect Podiums)
8. Sand Bag'n (robins13 & Mayhem) --- 109 Points (0 Perfect Podiums)

CHAMPIONSHIP PICTURE

Seven individuals (and every team) are still in mathematical contention for the titles. However, the road to the title is a big rockier for some...

CLINCHING SCENARIOS FOR ABU DHABI

TypingChicane can take his destiny into his own hands by scoring a Perfect Podium, guaranteeing him the championship. If he fails to achieve that feat (and let's be honest, PPs haven't exactly been common this year!) then the following scenarios come into play:

If TypingChicane scores 8 points: mcdo is champion with a Perfect Podium, all others have no chance.
If TypingChicane scores 5 or 6 points: mcdo or TheDamus can be champions with a Perfect Podium, all others have no chance.
If TypingChicane scores 3 points: mcdo can win with 8 points; TheDamus needs a Perfect Podium still. Nobody else has a chance.
If TypingChicane scores 1 point: mcdo wins with 5 points, TheDamus still needs a Perfect Podium; Exediron, Bentrovato or Herb can also win with a Perfect Podium.
If TypingChicane scores 0 points: mcdo wins with 5 points, TheDamus wins with 8, everyone else still needs a Perfect Podium.

So basically, unless your name is TypingChicane or mcdo, you're going to need a Perfect Podium to have even a chance at the title.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

I was on the edge of my seat for the last 5 laps! Top three championship has delivered way more excitement than F1 itself

Notice to everyone in contention for the championship: as per Top Three Championship tradition, those still in contention for the championship may submit a secret prediction for the final in Abu Dhabi any time before the cutoff. This secret prediction will override anything you post in the main thread; you may make no post at all in the main thread (other than to please confirm that you've sent secret picks), or you may post your picks publicly if you want. If there is a conflict between anything posted publicly and those sent secretly, the secret picks will be taken.

Since I am still in (admittedly remote) contention for the championship, you will be submitting your secret picks by PM to the previous curator of this thread, Black_Flag_11, who has graciously agreed to return to duty for this one time. All secret picks will be posted after the deadline so that they become public knowledge going into the race.

Good luck, everyone!

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

It has to be said, the Top 3 is more difficult than the Pick 10. The Pick 10 has more players and more visibility... but this one is an absolute b*stard!

If you get close to the right order in the Pick 10 you'll score big. Only getting close in Top 3 gives you nothing but duck eggs. I honestly don't know which one I'd be more pleased at winning (come on TypingChicane... gimme one of them )

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I don't rely entirely on God

I rely on Prost



FA#14

Knockout Cup: final update #2

Icemanjee1 (0) 0 vs. 5 (0) TypingChicane

Well, Brazil has come and gone without TypingChicane becoming our second Knockout Cup winner. As both participants in the final failed to score, it remains delicately poised at 5-0 to TypingChicane.

The Knockout Cup clinching scenarios aren't quite as straightforward as the overall Championship ones. Although it does start out simple enough: we head to Abu Dhabi with TypingChicane knowing simply outscoring Icemanjee1 by four or more points will result in the Knockout Cup trophy, while Icemanjee1 would win the Knockout Cup by bettering TypingChicane's score by six or more points.

Where it gets complicated is if Icemanjee1 scores exactly five points more than TypingChicane, at which point the tiebreakers will determine the overall winner. As such a scenario would render it impossible for Icemanjee1 to have scored a Perfect Podium, the second tiebreaker (most round wins over the three races) would be what determines our winner. Right now, TypIngChicane holds the advantage, having won the Mexican round. It is entirely possible that Icemanjee1 could outscore TypingChicane by five points but not take the overall round win, a scenario which would allow TypingChicane to win the Knockout Cup. And should Icemanjee1 outscore TypingChicane by five points and win the round then they would be crowned our 2017 Knockout Cup Champion by virtue of the third tiebreaker (highest seed).

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Pick 10 | 1st x3, 2nd x3, 3rd x7
2018: 5th | 2017: 6th | 2016: 8th | 2015: 2nd | 2014: 15th | 2013: 17th | 2012: 11th

I think really what it comes down to is that the Pick 10 is a consistency championship, and this one rewards getting it just right (but less often). You can be champion of the Pick 10 without ever winning a round, whereas I really can't imagine that happening here.

I also do think our championship deserves more players and visibility, but there is something to be said for having a tighter field of more engaged players.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

Both are fun and a different challenge. This one demands a more accurate prediction, and perhaps a little more luck as well, whereas Pick 10 is a little more forgiving but obviously requires you to think a little more. And then you've got The Oracle game, which feels like it is somewhere between the two in that your predictions have to be good but it also requires you to think about more than just who'll be the fastest two/three teams.

The only thing I would change about this game is to perhaps introduce a small penalty for predictions made after FP1 or FP2. Maybe even as simple as a single point penalty if your prediction comes after FP2 has started, or one point per practice session that has commenced. That way you might get a little more variation in terms of points scored (instead of three people scoring 5 points, eight people scoring 3, and the rest all scoring 1, etc.) whilst also rewarding correct picks that are made prior to any running, which to me is more of an achievement than doing so after FP2, and should be rewarded as such. We might even end up with some minus scores if people predict after FP2, take a small penalty and get none of the top three correct!

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Pick 10 | 1st x3, 2nd x3, 3rd x7
2018: 5th | 2017: 6th | 2016: 8th | 2015: 2nd | 2014: 15th | 2013: 17th | 2012: 11th

I really consider predicting after FP2 to be the default in this championship, particularly since we changed the rule to extend the deadline to any time before FP3. I never intend my prediction to be final until after I've had a chance to look over the practice data.

However, I could see awarding a bonus for not predicting after practice, which would amount to the same thing. We can bounce the idea around a little bit; if I'm still curating the thread next year (which seems fairly likely) I'll provide a chance for people to vote on rule changes again ahead of the 2018 season.

I've thought about doing something with the scoring to add more variety (I very rarely have to fill all three steps of my scoring podium), but I think it's partly just a symptom of the perceived uncompetitiveness of the current grid that people all make similar predictions. You do have a point that encouraging people to pick before practice would dramatically increase the variation of the selections, which is a good argument for instituting some rule of that sort.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

My only issue with that is that you're bringing the Top 3 closer to the Pick 10

Pick 10 can often be a complete guess. You're going in cold with little information. If your small bit of knowledge and your gut feel are right you score big time. Get it wrong and you're not out of it by any means, you'll usually do OK regardless

Top 3 is actually an educated guess. It's based on data and results. Get your educated guess wrong and you get nothing. And that's the appropriate way to do it

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I don't rely entirely on God

I rely on Prost



FA#14

It wouldn't prevent anyone from guessing after FP2. I just look at the general trends and, as Exediron mentions, a lot of us predict after FP2 or alter our predictions then. The only reason to not do so? If you've made a prediction prior to FP1 that doesn't need to be changed. And it is exactly that kind of prediction I'd like to see better rewarded. Perhaps my referring to it as a penalty is too negative; it could be as simple as offering a bonus point for anyone who makes a correct prediction prior to FP1.

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Pick 10 | 1st x3, 2nd x3, 3rd x7
2018: 5th | 2017: 6th | 2016: 8th | 2015: 2nd | 2014: 15th | 2013: 17th | 2012: 11th

Maybe it's just me but only having one competition rewarding wild guesses is enough for me

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I don't rely entirely on God

I rely on Prost



FA#14

Completely agree with this. Top 10 is more guess work , while atleast here we can see the Friday practice and predict. It still won't be very good as many teams sand-bag during Fridays , or the occasional change in tyre pressures by Pirelli from Friday to Saturday will change the competitiveness of teams.

This is the only competition in this forum where deadline is before FP3 , as Top 10 and Group Pickem is before FP1 , while others is before Qualy. I think the deadline is fine here , and would like this to continue.

I see the point of bonus points for prediction before FP1 , but I still think the current system is better.

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One & only - 'Iceman' Kimi Räikkönen

Pick 10|'18: /'17: P8{3P}/'16: P12{2P}/'14: P24{2P}
Top 3|'18: /'17: P4{8W},Team: P3 /'16: P8{1W},Team: P2
Group Pick'em|'17: P6{4P}/'16: P6{5P}
F1 Oracle|'18: /'17: P3{3W}/'16: P2{4W}

I like this championship just the way it is!

I don't think there is a reason to start complicating matters with bonus points etc.

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Top Three Team Champions 2017 (With Jezza13)
Group Pick 'Em 2016 Champion

I agree with this as well, although I can see both sides. Certainly I'm much more competitive with the educated guess - as reflected by the fact that I'm currently 21st out of 34 contestants in the Pick 10 (without using practice information) and 36th out of 149,132 contestants in the AutoSport GP Predictor (with practice information).

My only real issue is that all too often everyone makes the same predictions, and there's not much to be done about that. Some of it is purely down to our own failings: Raikkonen has gathered 7 podiums this year, including 3 in a row, and nobody picked him for Brazil; similarly, Ricciardo has taken 9 podiums this year (meaning half of all races!) and people hardly ever put him up there. If there was some way to encourage people to take a bit of risk and spread the picks, I'd like to try it - but I agree, not at the cost of making the competition more of a lottery.

I'll still put it up to vote ahead of next season (so you can all keep thinking of proposals) but it sounds like sentiment is in favor of not altering the scoring right now.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017

Reminder

Can all of the top 7 PM me their predictions this weekend. So that’s:

TypingChicane
mcdo
TheDamus
Exediron
Bentrovato
Herb
Icemanjee1

It will be the PM’d predictions which take precedence over any posted in the thread so if you PM me but then change your mind make sure to PM me the changes as just posting them in the thread will not alter your official prediction. Good luck

I have PM'd you my picks. Can you please confirm if you received it?

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One & only - 'Iceman' Kimi Räikkönen

Pick 10|'18: /'17: P8{3P}/'16: P12{2P}/'14: P24{2P}
Top 3|'18: /'17: P4{8W},Team: P3 /'16: P8{1W},Team: P2
Group Pick'em|'17: P6{4P}/'16: P6{5P}
F1 Oracle|'18: /'17: P3{3W}/'16: P2{4W}

Yes I’ve received yours, Herb’s and Bentrovato’s so far

It was tough to pick this round.

I think mcdo and typingchicane could afford to play it safe, but the rest of us have to nail a random podium no one saw coming. Good luck guys!

I think the rules are fine as they stand. I'd rather make educated guesses based on the patterns that emerge in FP1 and 2 rather than essentially complete guesses before either.

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Kimi Raikkonen

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Pick 10: 1 win, 8 podiums | 2016: 22nd | 2017: 21st | 2018: 3rd |
[size=85]Top Three: 9 wins, 26 podiums | 2016: 9th [6th] | 2017: 16th [6th] | 2018: 4th [4th] |

Personally I like the scoring how it is and even tho we get more info from practices its still not guarenteed points scoring as anything can happen in a race.

Possible ideas
- if u predict before practice starts maybe a small bonus +2
- after fp1 +1
- to help variety we can do hidden entries through pm. (Some times it seems everyone just goes with the flow so that they arent left behind.)

Just some ideas

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PF1 pick 10 2016: 7th (1 win, 4 podiums), 2017: 17th (3 podiums)
Awards: Sergio perez trophy & Podium specialist
PF1 pick 3 2015: constructors 2nd, singles 5th
Autosport Gp 2016/17 - 5th
F1 Oracle 2017: 2nd (6 wins), 2016:5th (2wins)

Yas marina

The Ham
Bottas
Vettel

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PF1 pick 10 2016: 7th (1 win, 4 podiums), 2017: 17th (3 podiums)
Awards: Sergio perez trophy & Podium specialist
PF1 pick 3 2015: constructors 2nd, singles 5th
Autosport Gp 2016/17 - 5th
F1 Oracle 2017: 2nd (6 wins), 2016:5th (2wins)

I’m not crazy about bonus points just because it wouldn’t be an even playing field. This year was straightforward if you picked Hamilton-Vettel 1-2 every single race. Hindsight is 20/20

1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Ricciardo

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#Keep Fighting Michael

Said bonus Points should only be applied if you get the perfect podium going in blind. If your brave enough to take that risk then you should get something for it.

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PF1 pick 10 2016: 7th (1 win, 4 podiums), 2017: 17th (3 podiums)
Awards: Sergio perez trophy & Podium specialist
PF1 pick 3 2015: constructors 2nd, singles 5th
Autosport Gp 2016/17 - 5th
F1 Oracle 2017: 2nd (6 wins), 2016:5th (2wins)

Got it. So you get an extra point or two by getting all 3 correct before FP1 starts. That’s not bad. I’d be 50/50 on rule changes. Won’t push for them, but not really opposing. I just found the knockout cup less interesting, but that could be because I wasn’t really involved in it

Abu dhabi:
Hamilton
Bottas
Vettel

Picks submitted!

I was going to play some mind games and post fake picks to throw people off, but I didn't get to it in time. Suffice to say that I have balanced risk and reward to the end that I'm aiming for.

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PICK 10 COMPETITION (4 wins, 14 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion | #2 in the world in 2017