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I feel very uncertain when someone speaks of Schumacher. I have a great deal of respect for him and his unquestionable talent. IMO he really is the best F1 driver ever and would've beaten Senna had the Brazilian survived the Imola GP in 1994. Of course, Benetton were blatant cheaters that season but it's difficult to speak of what would've happened, what Senna would do if he confirmed his suspicions, and so on.

However, I can't really forgive Schumi for various episodes throughout his career. 1994 was one thing, the attempt to take JV out in the 1997 decider was another, then obviously the later Ferrari days which were probably more due to the team than Schumi himself, and I don't think Barrichello is completely innocent either as I do believe he was bound by contract to playing the backup role and he accepted it willingly.

Even then, I found myself cheering for Schumi against Alonso in 2006 and again in 2010 when he came back driving for Mercedes. It's really weird, how Schumi went in my head. He was really bad (1994), then worse (1997), then I was awed by his performances (1998-2000), then I was bored by him (2001-2004), and finally began cheering for him again (2006, 2010 and beyond). It's a sign that there are definitely multiple facets to him and how complex he is. He was also never as ruthless in his private affairs as he was in racing either.

So, in the event that the current generation of Vettel and Hamilton doesn't overtake his 7 WDC record, how do you think Schumi will go down in history 10, maybe 20 years from now?

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It's ok to not forgive Michael for those incidents. He is a superhero to me, but I won't forgive what he did to Villeneuve and what he did in Monaco in 2006. I will always consider the collision with Hill a racing incident, as he wasn't even turning into Hill when they collided (in the collision with Villeneuve, he had the wheel turned hard right even after the collision, demonstrating clear intent), and Hill himself said right after he got back to the pits that he would've done the same thing had he been the one in front. I also wish he had let Barrichello through in Austria, even though I understand that he was only doing as he was told by the boss, Todt.

I should also mention that Barrichello was on Top Gear a few years back and said the equipment was the same, only that Michael was given the best strategy, which IMO is normal since Michael was faster, and there is only one pit box and one optimal strategy. I will forever respect Rubens greatly, as he is the only teammate that could consistently get within half a second of Schumacher in Schumi's prime.

In any case, time is kind to sports heroes. His legacy will be brighter as time passes. The negatives fade or seem smaller, and the records and victories remain as remarkable achievements.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:47 pm 
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He'll go down as arguably the greatest ever, irrespective of his transgressions during his career. Senna did the same and look how he's been revered since his death.

Schumacher changed my following of F1. After starting to watch the sport during 1992 I then became a massive Damon Hill fan and detested the young, cocky German who was beating my guy. Then he joined Ferrari, Damon won his WDC and then I suddenly found myself rooting for Schumi, first against Villeneuve and then against Hakkinen.

His speed and commitment stood out more than anything for me. Sure, watching Mika stick the McLaren on pole was great to watch, but witnessing Michael fighting with his cars and ending up on the front row simply took my breath away. I was bitter about Adelaide '94 obviously, but I forgave him for Jerez for the sole reason how desperate he wanted to win the title for Ferrari.

Being a fan through 1997-2000, I ended up enjoying his domination from 2001-2006 (2005 notwithstanding) purely because I watched him fight all those previous seasons, and that he now deserved his success. If the other teams couldn't compete, then tough luck.

I wish he hadn't come back in 2010 (apart from my being able to watch my hero at Silverstone in 2012) but you could tell he was a completely different character from his Ferrari days.

As time passes, we'll remember him for changing the face of Formula 1 forever. They constantly changed the rules just to stop him from winning. And no other driver can claim that tag.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:50 am 
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Pole2Win wrote:
It's really weird, how Schumi went in my head. He was really bad (1994), then worse (1997), then I was awed by his performances (1998-2000), then I was bored by him (2001-2004), and finally began cheering for him again (2006, 2010 and beyond).


For me it's not entirely the same, but rather comparable. I thought he was OK before Australia '94 even though I was rooting for Hill. But then that happened, and I didn't quite like him anymore - and that intensified after Jerez '97. I pretty much rooted for whoever could challenge him. First Hill, then Villeneuve, then Hakkinen, then Raikkonen. Got bored for a while between 2000 and 2004. Then, it started changing a bit. While memories of Adelaide and Jerez hadn't faded, people change over time, and he gradually became more likeable to me again. And that coincided with Alonso, being the new coming man, showing quite a bit of unsportsmanlike behaviour which I took a particular dislike for. So I actually ended up rooting for Schumacher in 2005 and 2006. When he came back, I always followed him and wanted him to do well.

Yes, I know, I made terrible choices in who to root for when it came to actually see your favourite winning :)

All this while, though, I have always realized he was the best out there (well, maybe not during his Merc-period). Maybe that is why I took to liking him in the end - because gradually I also came to the conclusion that I got to watch history in the making. I like human exploits, I like records, and who else embodies that more than Schumacher?

Our children will envy us for having got the chance to see Schumacher race. That's how he will go down in history.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:56 am 
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I always seem to root for the one putting in the most (& smartest) effort.
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel...hoping for Verstappen and Vandoorne.
Alonso for his completeness.

Schumi's fitness was excellent. I always like it when drivers stay disciplined. For most, it's only years later that you happen to read small bits in books left and right, giving an insight into which driver was REALLY putting in the effort, the hard work and the late hours. All of that ànd not getting frustrated, so being able to cope with disappointments is a maturity thing too.

As long as those characters rise to the top, I still enjoy F1.
Schumi was legendary for putting in his fitness routines daily, even when traveling only allowed him to start doing it at 22h in the evening for instance.
Senna (different era) also gave full commitment, especially later in his career when physical fitness was getting pro.
Vettel seems the same.

I also still have problems with 94, Jerez 97 and Monaco 2006, but who is 100% perfect?
Still, that doesn't mean I would not have penalised it.

Stuff like pole in Monaco '12 just doesn't happen by accident.


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Four. Currently there are four active German Formula One drivers. Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, and Wehrlein. There have been others such as Heidfeld, Glock, Ralf, and Sutil who joined Formula One after Michael Schumacher start to make headlines. Germany has four drivers in Formula One, the most of any nation.

The most dominant team currently is Mercedes, German. Of note is the fact that another German manufacturer, BMW, had a team of their own too.

Michael Schumacher set many records and won many races and titles. But his legacy is that he inspired his fellow countrymen to believe that they too can be successful in Formula One.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:08 am 
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For me, I think his historic achievement was bringing back Ferrari to win titles after a 2decade drought.

I must admit that one must admire his determination and motivation to stay the majority of his career battling it out for the top position. (Disregarding his Mercedes come back).

People can speak of Adelaide and Jerez, but he also had his fair share of bad luck that arguably lost him championships.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:22 pm 
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Schumacher has to go down in history as one of the greatest.

Imo it is wrong to downplay his 2010-2102 return: he was 41, had been out for 3 seasons and came back to new tyres, no testing, different race strategies (fuel, tyre), simulators which he hated, and to his strong, but younger rival drivers Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel, plus fast team-mate Rosberg.

Looking at how well Nuvolari, Villoresi, Sommer, Farina, Fangio did when aged in their forties, I thought Michael would beat Rosberg immediately. In December 2009 ex-F1 driver Peter de Klerk told me Michael would struggle in a comeback; he proved right. But by the third season Michael was as fast as Rosberg, and could have won Monaco (from pole) and scored a fine second in Canada when Button won after Vettel went off. All this in a Mercedes that was not yet fully sorted and not the fastest car. Seeing how close Rosberg has been to Hamilton in 2013-2016 makes one realise how good Schumcaher was in 2012.

Of all the great drivers, the two I'd like to have seen paired in same-team cars: Senna and Schumacher. Would have made Senna-Prost seem like Sunday School.

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Schumacher could always do an incredible stint during the refuelling era.

His ability to pull out a stint of near full qualifying pace, for multiple laps, is the best I've seen in 25yrs watching the sport.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:41 am 
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Pole2Win wrote:
So, in the event that the current generation of Vettel and Hamilton doesn't overtake his 7 WDC record, how do you think Schumi will go down in history 10, maybe 20 years from now?
Surely our appreciation of a skill set doesn't alter because a record gets overtaken? I think 10 or 20 years from now people will still think he was one of the best drivers in the history of F1.
I do think that if/when the time comes when a driver also scores 7 championships, the matter of cheating will resurface, and he/she might be considered the true record holder. And rightly so.

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Pole2Win wrote:
I feel very uncertain when someone speaks of Schumacher. I have a great deal of respect for him and his unquestionable talent. IMO he really is the best F1 driver ever and would've beaten Senna had the Brazilian survived the Imola GP in 1994. Of course, Benetton were blatant cheaters that season but it's difficult to speak of what would've happened, what Senna would do if he confirmed his suspicions, and so on.

However, I can't really forgive Schumi for various episodes throughout his career. 1994 was one thing, the attempt to take JV out in the 1997 decider was another, then obviously the later Ferrari days which were probably more due to the team than Schumi himself, and I don't think Barrichello is completely innocent either as I do believe he was bound by contract to playing the backup role and he accepted it willingly.

Even then, I found myself cheering for Schumi against Alonso in 2006 and again in 2010 when he came back driving for Mercedes. It's really weird, how Schumi went in my head. He was really bad (1994), then worse (1997), then I was awed by his performances (1998-2000), then I was bored by him (2001-2004), and finally began cheering for him again (2006, 2010 and beyond). It's a sign that there are definitely multiple facets to him and how complex he is. He was also never as ruthless in his private affairs as he was in racing either.

So, in the event that the current generation of Vettel and Hamilton doesn't overtake his 7 WDC record, how do you think Schumi will go down in history 10, maybe 20 years from now?


He had some awesome performances before the '98 season. People argue about the '96 or '97 being some of his best driving. And rightly so.


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the incident in 94 with hill was a racing incident! are you having a joke - Schumacher lost control in the corner. hit the Armco damaged his car and purposely drove into hill who did not lose control but was rammed by schmacher who had a broken front suspension and his race was finished - watch it again without your blinkers on I will never consider he had 7 titles

it worked so well for him he bashed jv too , but it didn't work that time , and the parking up on the corner in Monaco was completely false and cheating , but the sad thing is he had the talent to not have any need to cheat like this - he ruined his own legacy/history with these 3 incidents -did I miss any naughty moments


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I also love Schumi. He made me a passionate F1 fan for life. Yes, I hated what he did to JV that day, and it made me think less of him, but as the years pass that fades and my strong memory is of the greatness. I wish he was well.


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As time progresses on, people tend to forget his misdemeanors, so he will be remembered as one of the true greats.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:52 pm 
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Schumacher is clearly the driver of his generation, in fact, he defined it so much it was basically called "The Schumacher Era" - and he has all the records - most notably the 7 WDCs to cement his legacy as one of the contenders for Greatest Of All Time.

However, while there is nothing to call into doubt the quality of Schumacher as a driver, there is an argument to question the quality of his competition.

Whereas Schumacher dominated his time in the sport and it was not until he retired that a new generation filled that void, the period before that, the one Schumacher followed on from, had a host of great drivers, most notably Senna and Prost, with Mansell and Piquet following.

And while Schumacher did indeed outpace Nelson Piquet, that was a Piquet in his final season.

Piquet retired, then Mansell retired, then Prost retired, then Senna died. All the big names went one year after another meaning the 1994 was the only championship since the first where there was not a WDC in the field (first three races excepted)

That left Schumacher vs Williams, as as underrated as Damon Hill may well be, few are going to claim he was even close to level of the likes of Schumacher, Senna or Prost in talent.

The only driver which could be considered an equal during Schumacher's reign was Hakkinen, meaning until Alonso came along and did to Schumacher what Schumacher did to Piquet, Schumacher was either largely unchallenged by his peers, or was picking up WDCs as the next generation of Alonso and Kimi found their feet in the sport.

This is not to try and diminish Schumacher's legacy, but more, put into context the playground he had to set the multitude of records he holds.

I mean, let's say Senna had not died in 1994, it's likely Schumacher would hold at least 1 if not 2 less WDCs than he does today - he'd certainly have less wins. That could even have impacted his ability to attract the attention needed to take his team of people to Ferrari and operate with an unlimited budget.

Although, if he did fail to attract Ferrari's attention, that could have set into motion an even more dominating set of events for him:

The reason Ferrari funded the Schumacher project was because they recognised his skill differential to the rest of the grid - that might not have been as a apparent against Senna. Ironically, without the Ferrari interest, that could have seen Schumacher move to McLaren (as they were very interested in him,
and Mercedes would have definitely have financed him for marketing reasons) meaning Schuey and Newey would have got together - so maybe after Senna retired we could have have seen Schumacher walking away with nearly every WDC and mentoring Hamilton to replace him....

Anyway, while Schumacher is an all time great - maybe even the greatest - I think Alonso or Hamilton or Senna or Prost would have produced similar results against the competition he had.


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