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Bath still Bath (flaky). Ford to bottle it?

That's what made the game. The sides are so similar in terms of attacking threat and total flakiness.


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Watson blew the game for Bath but Ford's kicking is just :lol:


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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.


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Why the hell would you go for the kick... Ford was always less than 50% to get that- and only to take it to extra time..


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Typical French n00bs. Had the game in the bag. Got totally outclassed then claim heroism that got them through. Don't know what they are even doing in the semi final anyway

Whose multi is this turd? :|


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Why the hell would you go for the kick... Ford was always less than 50% to get that- and only to take it to extra time..

Bath would have walked it in extra time.


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Typical French n00bs. Had the game in the bag. Got totally outclassed then claim heroism that got them through. Don't know what they are even doing in the semi final anyway

And yet, they're going to win the Cup. :nod:


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Typical French n00bs. Had the game in the bag. Got totally outclassed then claim heroism that got them through. Don't know what they are even doing in the semi final anyway


Are you having a fit?


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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.

There's only so many times you can keep defending it before it wears thin.

Farrell will get those kicks. He has to start hitting them. Now.

If he doesn't and he doesn't develop even more at 10, I'd be tempted to try another 10. He just doesn't seem to like pressure.


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Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?


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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.

There's only so many times you can keep defending it before it wears thin.

Farrell will get those kicks. He has to start hitting them. Now.

If he doesn't and he doesn't develop even more at 10, I'd be tempted to try another 10. He just doesn't seem to like pressure.

Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?


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Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

Farrell is about as creative as a boy band. Leave him at 12 and let him kick to his heart's content.


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elfieldinho wrote:
Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

No, Farrell's a 12.

But I want a hardnut passing 10.

Put Lozowski next to Farrell. Let's see what happens. Lozowski won't have to worry about controlling the game because Farrell will marshall him.


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Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

This. Ford's passing game is just too good to ignore. The Ford-Farrell 10-12 axis with the latter doing the kicks is great for England.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.

There's only so many times you can keep defending it before it wears thin.

Farrell will get those kicks. He has to start hitting them. Now.

If he doesn't and he doesn't develop even more at 10, I'd be tempted to try another 10. He just doesn't seem to like pressure.

Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

He makes breaks. He tackles. He breaks the line.

Ford used to do that. At times Ford just buckles. There's only so many times you can say it before maybe his physique is just too much to trade off.


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George Ford is a fantastic Rugby player, he's creative, he senses situations well, he can be consistently electrifying.... but he's small, his tackling still is a problem every so often, and he's not the greatest goal-kicker of all-time. Those are some bad points going against him for a high level flyhalf.


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Typical French n00bs. Had the game in the bag. Got totally outclassed then claim heroism that got them through. Don't know what they are even doing in the semi final anyway


Are you having a fit?


Yes call an ambulance for me


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Wendigo7 wrote:
elfieldinho wrote:
Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

No, Farrell's a 12.

But I want a hardnut passing 10.

Put Lozowski next to Farrell. Let's see what happens. Lozowski won't have to worry about controlling the game because Farrell will marshall him.


What? Why?

I just watched Ford take control of that game from 10 and turn it from a comfortable SF win to Bath being in control. But he pushed a couple of kicks wide so Lozowski should play for England while Farrell kicks.

That doesn't make any sense.


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He makes breaks. He tackles. He breaks the line.

Ford used to do that. At times Ford just buckles. There's only so many times you can say it before maybe his physique is just too much to trade off.


Ford: 52m, 2 clean breaks, 3 defenders beaten

only Roko and Watson did more with ball in hand for Bath


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will Watson ever stop being such a crap defender

the people pushing for him to pay at 15 are mental


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JM2K6 wrote:
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elfieldinho wrote:
Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

No, Farrell's a 12.

But I want a hardnut passing 10.

Put Lozowski next to Farrell. Let's see what happens. Lozowski won't have to worry about controlling the game because Farrell will marshall him.


What? Why?

I just watched Ford take control of that game from 10 and turn it from a comfortable SF win to Bath being in control. But he pushed a couple of kicks wide so Lozowski should play for England while Farrell kicks.

That doesn't make any sense.

Ford lost the game the moment he kicked short.

He kicks long at the restart. It's extra time and bath win.

Little decision make a big difference. That loss due to circumstances was his fault. He kicks long. They don't drop goal. Bath probably win.


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JM2K6 wrote:
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He makes breaks. He tackles. He breaks the line.

Ford used to do that. At times Ford just buckles. There's only so many times you can say it before maybe his physique is just too much to trade off.


Ford: 52m, 2 clean breaks, 3 defenders beaten

only Roko and Watson did more with ball in hand for Bath

About what Farrell achieves in a season :D


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Wendigo7 wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
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Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

No, Farrell's a 12.

But I want a hardnut passing 10.

Put Lozowski next to Farrell. Let's see what happens. Lozowski won't have to worry about controlling the game because Farrell will marshall him.


What? Why?

I just watched Ford take control of that game from 10 and turn it from a comfortable SF win to Bath being in control. But he pushed a couple of kicks wide so Lozowski should play for England while Farrell kicks.

That doesn't make any sense.

Ford lost the game the moment he kicked short.

He kicks long at the restart. It's extra time and bath win.

Little decision make a big difference. That loss due to circumstances was his fault. He kicks long. They don't drop goal. Bath probably win.


Why do you think Bath would win in extra time? Louw didn't think so, otherwise he'd have told Ford to go long. Without Ford at 10, Bath don't come back to be winning in the first place.

Bath lost that game when Watson let what was a bunch of lumbering forwards in the 22 create a break, then again when he blew a simple try.


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will Watson ever stop being such a crap defender

the people pushing for him to pay at 15 are mental

His passing is fairly pish too. Good runner and stepper but the rest of his game needs work.


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Wendigo7 wrote:
elfieldinho wrote:
Sadly, not surprised by either Watson or Ford there. Never expected Ford to put that over and would never have expected Farrell to miss. Watching Sarries yesterday, so much of what makes them so good is just how mentally hard they are. Is it time to wonder about Farrell at 10 for England?

No, Farrell's a 12.

But I want a hardnut passing 10.

Put Lozowski next to Farrell. Let's see what happens. Lozowski won't have to worry about controlling the game because Farrell will marshall him.


I want to see more of Slade at 10.

The Bath set up is flaky. Anyone else think that Cook is an awful scrumhalf?


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I want to see less of Slade at 10.

He's a lovely 13, a promising 12, and a horror show at 10.

Cook's a brilliant scrumhalf if you want one that gets quick accurate passes out from the base, but the rest of his game isn't up to scratch.


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will Watson ever stop being such a crap defender

the people pushing for him to pay at 15 are mental

His passing is fairly pish too. Good runner and stepper but the rest of his game needs work.


he butchered the two-on-one at the end with Roko pretty badly as well


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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.

There's only so many times you can keep defending it before it wears thin.

Farrell will get those kicks. He has to start hitting them. Now.

If he doesn't and he doesn't develop even more at 10, I'd be tempted to try another 10. He just doesn't seem to like pressure.

I'm not defending it. I said months ago he had no chance of going on the Lions tour and Gatland would be mad to play Farrell at 12. I was a huge supporter of his but no longer. I doubt there is a fly-half in the AP who has more drop goal attempts when playing advantage. I feel with him it's because he doesn't want to have to attempt the penalty kick.


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Wendigo7 wrote:
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Ford's been pathetic this year.

That's not fair. If he was expected to get kicks like that he would probably be going to New Zealand this year.

There's only so many times you can keep defending it before it wears thin.

Farrell will get those kicks. He has to start hitting them. Now.

If he doesn't and he doesn't develop even more at 10, I'd be tempted to try another 10. He just doesn't seem to like pressure.

Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

He makes breaks. He tackles. He breaks the line.

Ford used to do that. At times Ford just buckles. There's only so many times you can say it before maybe his physique is just too much to trade off.

Ford used to be a real threat ball in hand but that part of his game has withered in the last two years. It's a real shame because his dummy to pass and quick dart used to get him in behind teams all the time.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

In what parallel universe is Ford relatable to Barrett as an attacking threat? I can't even remember his last line-break at test level, whereas you lose count of Barrett's. Tactical kicks are probably his best asset at that level. Ford has no BMT, he is just not good at crunch time and is little better than all your flakey French flyhalves in the past decade.


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Ford used to be a real threat ball in hand but that part of his game has withered in the last two years. It's a real shame because his dummy to pass and quick dart used to get him in behind teams all the time.


It has been pretty clear he has wanted to leave Bath for most of this season. He does seem to have missed Stringer.

Did Bath bring on Priestland?


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Rugby2023 wrote:
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Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

In what parallel universe is Ford relatable to Barrett as an attacking threat? I can't even remember his last line-break at test level, whereas you lose count of Barrett's. Tactical kicks are probably his best asset at that level. Ford has no BMT, he is just not good at crunch time and is little better than all your flakey French flyhalves in the past decade.


Barrett's streets ahead of everyone as a line-breaking 10, tbh. But we only saw Ford's running game against Italy. I just find it strange that people are slagging off his running game after a game in which his running game was to the fore.

What's BMT?


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Big match temperament?
I have been a huge fan of the subtlety of Ford's game. I agree that it's a huge over-simplification to see a fly-half who wants to leave a flaky team as summed up by Bath's failings today, just as giving Farrell too much credit for Saracens mentality is dangerous. Tough to keep denying though that Ford has temperament issues. To me Farrell gets better all the time as a ten and the gap is closer than most would have it in skill terms. Honest question though- do Sarries win against Munster with Ford at 10 instead?


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

In what parallel universe is Ford relatable to Barrett as an attacking threat? I can't even remember his last line-break at test level, whereas you lose count of Barrett's. Tactical kicks are probably his best asset at that level. Ford has no BMT, he is just not good at crunch time and is little better than all your flakey French flyhalves in the past decade.


Barrett's streets ahead of everyone as a line-breaking 10, tbh. But we only saw Ford's running game against Italy. I just find it strange that people are slagging off his running game after a game in which his running game was to the fore.

What's BMT?

It's because we all know it's there but it is rare to see it.

+1 BMT wtf ?


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Just use another kicker. Ford is too much an attacking threat to give up on. You reckon NZ will drop Barrett because he can't kick for sh*t?

In what parallel universe is Ford relatable to Barrett as an attacking threat? I can't even remember his last line-break at test level, whereas you lose count of Barrett's. Tactical kicks are probably his best asset at that level. Ford has no BMT, he is just not good at crunch time and is little better than all your flakey French flyhalves in the past decade.


Barrett's streets ahead of everyone as a line-breaking 10, tbh. But we only saw Ford's running game against Italy. I just find it strange that people are slagging off his running game after a game in which his running game was to the fore.

What's BMT?

It's because we all know it's there but it is rare to see it.

+1 BMT wtf ?


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Barrett's streets ahead of everyone as a line-breaking 10, tbh. But we only saw Ford's running game against Italy. I just find it strange that people are slagging off his running game after a game in which his running game was to the fore. What's BMT?

Big match temperament.


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Oh.

Well, we've seen Ford in a large number of big matches at international level under Eddie. He's done fine.

Anon, I agree it's disappeared a bit, but that honestly felt like something that was being coached out of him. Bath became addicted to their attacking diamond play and it ended up stopping him from his more unstructured gainline play.


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Can we get Ford to work with Paul Grayson? Worked wonders on Freddie Burns' kicking.


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Well, we've seen Ford in a large number of big matches at international level under Eddie. He's done fine.

Anon, I agree it's disappeared a bit, but that honestly felt like something that was being coached out of him. Bath became addicted to their attacking diamond play and it ended up stopping him from his more unstructured gainline play.

Hard for any FH to play behind a poor pack. I notice that Ford only comes into games for Bath as sides tire and space comes naturally. Hos fwds seem incapable of creating enough of it for him.


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BMT= Big Match Temperament

As for Clive Simms I suspect he is Muffstuffa.


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