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Which mobster will win?
Marine "Ma Baker" Le Pen 33%  33%  [ 2 ]
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It's a media outlet's prerogative to have an editorial line of their own choosing.
Yes yes, especially when they are financing by tax payer's money. It's their prerogative to ALL be leftists. Sure. And present an extreme bias, such as during the infamous 2005 referendum campaign.

You're a joker.


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It's their prerogative to ALL be leftists.


And I thought my Minute line was a joke...


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and corporations.

Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?


Just think how much simpler things would be if we finally cracked down on those horrible free medias and judges... No more embarrassing revelations when it's just not convenient, heck, no more embarrassing at all, and no accountability for things that the average taxpayer shouldn't be bothered with in the first place like where their tax money goes...


I never talk about politic on the net/forums, but I have to say that politicians ( left- right) are getting worse and not only in France as you saw recently.
Why would they change anything as 57% of the French people think their favorite politicians are not corrupted when at the same time France is 23rd in corruption ranking. ( 80% of corruption is in the public sector btw )
Oh and the department with the most corruption (in %) is ...Corsica.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
And I thought my Minute line was a joke...
I thought it was too, who cares about a newspaper read by 3 persons?

There is more than a huge gulf between the opinion of the people on various subjects, and that of the same journalists on the same subjects. The more visible, powerful and influential, the more such journalists lean towards the left and are friends if not in bed, with politicians.


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And yes he is fine with corruption.

Interesting.


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Macron seems to have some fairly controversial policy positions that he still needs to defend, for instance:

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Unlike many French Socialists, including former Prime Minister Manuel Valls, Macron supports the open-door policy toward immigrants and refugees pursued by Angela Merkel in Germany. Macron has expressed confidence in France's ability to absorb more immigrants and welcomes their arrival into Europe, asserting that the influx will have a positive economic impact.


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Macron described France's colonization of Algeria as a "crime against humanity" in an interview with local media. He also said: "It’s truly barbarous and it’s part of a past that we need to confront by apologising to those against whom we committed these acts."


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rô putain, le baiser de la mort :lol:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/presid ... macron.php

le Douste !! :lol:


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They should organise the 1st congress of en marche at la mammounia


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They should organise the 1st congress of en marche at la mammounia

:D


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They should organise the 1st congress of en marche at la mammounia


Encore un exemple que le politiques vivent dans un autre monde.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/2017 ... amisme.php


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Encore un exemple que le politiques vivent dans un autre monde.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/2017 ... amisme.php
Ils vivent dans un autre monde mais ils sont pour la plupart extrêmement intelligents et tout à fait conscient des périls qui planent sur notre monde à nous. J'en veux pour preuve les incroyables avoeux de François Hollande à ces journalistes qui a fait grand bruit récemment, où il disait rien moins que 1/ l'immigration était un problème et 2/ il craignait une secession à venir des territoires "islamisés" sur notre propre sol. Ce sont des propos qui il y a encore quelques années auraient été fustigés comme venant "d'un cevreau malade d'extrême-droite"; aujourd'hui en off, ce sont des perspectives avancées comme possibles par un président socialiste.

Ils savent très bien. ils savent très bien la hausse vertigineuse de la délinquance, des vols, des incivilités, les innombrables problèmes dont souffrent les indigènes, partout, en contact avec des communautés nouvelles venues et si différentes. Tous savent très bien cela, sois-en sûr. Simplement pour diverses raisons (haine de notre peuple, lâcheté, corruption, fatalisme, ...) ils ont décidé de nous abandonner à notre sort.


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Jusqu'au jour ou ....... comme ici

Tu vois Xupi, les États Unis sont (et ont toujours été ) un pays d'extrêmes, pour le bien comme pour le moins bien. Depuis plusieurs élections les gens ont montré leur mécontentement sur divers sujets, notamment l'immigration illégale, le crottin daeshois, l'insécurité et le raz le bol de "l'établissement".
Et le programme de la Ségolène d'outre atlantique était de donner les papiers à des millions d'illégaux et prendre 300.000 émigrés de Syrie et autres pays sablonneux, je ne parle pas de la plaine sableuse des Landes .
T'as vu le résultat des courses .


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Guy Novès Vous avez pas vraiment mordu un mec quand même ?

Kevin Gourdon En même temps Guy, tu nous avais demandé de jouer comme des morts de faim…

Scott Spedding BALIVERNES !!! QUI IMAGINERAIT LE GÉNÉRAL DE GAULLE MORDRE UN ADVERSAIRE SUR LE CHAMP DE BATAILLE ?

François Fillon Attention ce moyen de défense marche moyennement bien.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvIvgQVitQ


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Topical...

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Guy Novès Vous avez pas vraiment mordu un mec quand même ?

Kevin Gourdon En même temps Guy, tu nous avais demandé de jouer comme des morts de faim…

Scott Spedding BALIVERNES !!! QUI IMAGINERAIT LE GÉNÉRAL DE GAULLE MORDRE UN ADVERSAIRE SUR LE CHAMP DE BATAILLE ?

François Fillon Attention ce moyen de défense marche moyennement bien.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and corporations.

Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?


Just think how much simpler things would be if we finally cracked down on those horrible free medias and judges... No more embarrassing revelations when it's just not convenient, heck, no more embarrassing at all, and no accountability for things that the average taxpayer shouldn't be bothered with in the first place like where their tax money goes...


I never talk about politic on the net/forums, but I have to say that politicians ( left- right) are getting worse and not only in France as you saw recently.
Why would they change anything as 57% of the French people think their favorite politicians are not corrupted when at the same time France is 23rd in corruption ranking. ( 80% of corruption is in the public sector btw )
Oh and the department with the most corruption (in %) is ...Corsica.


All Corsicans know quite well the whole system is rotten, if only because they get to watch it working under their very eyes and there's an added layer of dodgy business brought in by Paris will to control the island. This has allowed many strange things, including people being paid by a local council who didn't even know where their service was. All was made to ensure votes, and kitchen appliances shops always made veruy good sales before elections.
Nationalists and independantists spent 50 years telling how it the people were robbed and pro-French pollies were meddling with public money.
Must have helped them to win in december, 2015.
As soon as they were installed, they pledged to make the territorial administration a "crystal house" and make all elected people accountable.
They created a "public politics evaluation comittee" which will put every single public expense under scrutiny…

In other news, the former boss has been trialled and convicted once, and will probably face at least another trial this year.


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I'm a spectator of the world. Things happen, I observe. I do my best not to let my bias stray me away. In that sense, I'm curious to see how much longer France can hold on. I don't think France would survive, say, another 10-15 years of left wing governance, however this won't happen of course, just speculation.
The fate of this nation is coming to a climactic point, like the last receiver of a play coming to a breaking point with the gainline, and it will be interesting to see how the French people responds.
Ultimately, they'll choose whoever they choose and will have only themselves to blame. But it will be interesting to see just how suicidal the people really is.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKeKasXNCpY


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I'm a spectator of the world. Things happen, I observe. I do my best not to let my bias stray me away. In that sense, I'm curious to see how much longer France can hold on. I don't think France would survive, say, another 10-15 years of left wing governance, however this won't happen of course, just speculation.
The fate of this nation is coming to a climactic point, like the last receiver of a play coming to a breaking point with the gainline, and it will be interesting to see how the French people responds.
Ultimately, they'll choose whoever they choose and will have only themselves to blame. But it will be interesting to see just how suicidal the people really is.
The dice is already cast; even if FN, say, came to power with the best of intentions and tried to apply everything which is good in their program, they would not be allowed to and we'd probably be on the brink of chaos. I don't think there's a way out.

Just watched this and it's priceless. I like Jean-Paul Brighelli very much, we need more of people of such mould. For once (Odval, pay attention) the journalist comes out good and for once, does his job. 2 politicians are completely useless and another (the Bloche guy) is .. priceless. They are trying to debate about the absolute DISASTER that is French Education, and you see how the politicians are throwing all the energy they can to actually hide the truth which everyone knows. It's quite priceless.
http://www.causeur.fr/education-najat-b ... 43388.html

How such horrible people have been let to power, how we have let their evil ideologies spread, at some point in the 1970's is simply... unbelievable. Completely suicidal.


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Xupi,

Brighelli is indeed brilliant and knowledgeable as long as he sticks to what he knows, ie the French educational system. Always liked reading his pieces about the way the whole system has been crumbling for decades thanks to pollies and charlatans in the NE.


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Brighelli is indeed brilliant and knowledgeable as long as he sticks to what he knows, ie the French educational system. Always liked reading his pieces about the way the whole system has been crumbling for decades thanks to pollies and charlatans in the NE.
He is always extremely clear and articulate, he speaks a language everyone understands, no bullsh*t. He comes accross as a good guy, very sincere and very rationale in how he describes the disaster. The kind of people that are a nigthmare for all the elites who have put us in such situation and who, as he explains very well, don't give a damn about it because their kids won't suffer from the consequences.

In fact I should not care neither. I spend a lot of time every week, teaching to my three kids French, maths, and so many other stuff. Whatever they learn in school, it will not affect them much because of the education they receive at home. But I do care, because I care about our people, and I know that the kids who have the misfortune to be in households where they don't have access to quality education on such matters, will never be able to have a chance in life like my kids will.

Ah funny thing about the "prédicat", my son brought back this a few weeks back and I had vaguely heard of it. He is in CM2. He is at a point where he is already very good at French grammar, he knows really well all functions in a sentence. So I open his book and start reading: a piece of complete crap, it means nothing, it's like a global macro analysis of the sentence, no more COD, COI and all the rest. A huge regression. So I told him to ignore completely this lesson, and we worked for 15mns on analyzing the real grammatical structure of the sentences with real terms and words. And then moved on to something else.


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Xupi wrote:
The dice is already cast; even if FN, say, came to power with the best of intentions and tried to apply everything which is good in their program, they would not be allowed to and we'd probably be on the brink of chaos. I don't think there's a way out.

How such horrible people have been let to power, how we have let their evil ideologies spread, at some point in the 1970's is simply... unbelievable. Completely suicidal.


Xupi, you know as I do it's all part of a great plan. That much is clear if one spends time investigating well enough. Now who they are...too difficult to tell sitting here at home. I've never met anyone powerful enough to know... you could certainly make a big case for a marxist agenda... anyways. Too long a discussion here.

The thing that is most unique in this present historical context isn't that an organized oligarchy has managed to push for their own interests so far...we've seen prominent examples of powerful governments succeeding at their own schemes....it's that the West of the 2nd half of the 20th century is the only place in the world, ever, through time or space, to ever be so gullible as to accept such a slavery of the mind, through an innate naivety, that akin to a child's, and a glorification of the notion of 'justice', one that is rearing its ugly head.

It's make or break. And I can only comment with some lucidity, not all the lucidity I wish, but certainly more than most are displaying around me. I'm waiting for the moment to come. It will be interesting to behold, Xupi. :nod:


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Xupi, you know as I do it's all part of a great plan. That much is clear if one spends time investigating well enough. Now who they are...too difficult to tell sitting here at home. I've never met anyone powerful enough to know... you could certainly make a big case for a marxist agenda... anyways. Too long a discussion here.
No it's not part of a "great plan". There is no plot behind the scenes. It is more... how can I say? it is more like a huge theological rift, similar to the big ones the West has known over the past 2,000 years. Leftisis and liberals sincerely believe, in a religious way, that they are right and their path is pure of heart. Changing perception is akin to a religious conversion for these people, it is a rationale process. That huge rift is what is killing us, and it's not proper to France of course, but very complex reasons it's very accute in France.

That thing about education is telling. It's a topic, like immigration, islam or insecurity, where 90% of people would agree on what the reality is. Everyone knows for instance, that the command of the French language has dramatically collapsed at school, and therefore amongst adults, over the past few decades. And yet... you see the representatives of those ideologies continue to deny it. Publicly. Against all facts. It's properly unbelievable. Admitting the truth would simply ruin their faith and they would collapse as individuals.

Dork Lard wrote:
The thing that is most unique in this present historical context isn't that an organized oligarchy has managed to push for their own interests so far...we've seen prominent examples of powerful governments succeeding at their own schemes....it's that the West of the 2nd half of the 20th century is the only place in the world, ever, through time or space, to ever be so gullible as to accept such a slavery of the mind, through an innate naivety, that akin to a child's, and a glorification of the notion of 'justice', one that is rearing its ugly head.
It has happened by accident. Until the end of communism, the same leftist rot was already extremely powerful, but the hyper-classes were not yet as powerful. It's only after that it's morphed, with the advent of globalization. And now we have, on top of an ideological rift, a class rift. A triple class rift: the globalized hyperclass who rule us, the immigrant poor class who settle amongst us, and the middle-class ("us") who are completelt crushed and helpless.

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It's make or break. And I can only comment with some lucidity, not all the lucidity I wish, but certainly more than most are displaying around me. I'm waiting for the moment to come. It will be interesting to behold, Xupi. :nod:
I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.


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Xupi, if you don't think this is all clearly part of a plan, and it has happened totally spontaneously, the dumbing down of the population through the education you mention, multiculturalism thrown at a people that never asked for it, a subversion through media Hollywood internet politics, the invention of key trigger words like "islamophobia homophobia" and co., to destroy the institutions of family (encourage promiscuity, divorce...), religion, a strong people and its ability to govern itself rather than have to rely entirely on the God-state...

Xupi, it's everywhere, all the time, everywhere... the same terminology, the same rhetoric, the same ideology...all in the same direction for the common goal: it's the same (cultural) Marxist project, destroy the founding fundamental societal institutions of family, religion, identity, eradicate civilization, borders, nation, the history of a people, the God-state and achieve the internationalist dream. A healthy people strong on its feet, that doesn't need government= the nightmare.
There can be no different colors, no differences, no pride in identity, no borders... the European project one to strip the nations of their sovereignty and control from a much larger scale.

Manipulate language, confuse the minds -> create a society of people afraid to think for themselves (Orwell in real life, Big Brother is watching).

Western society has never been as bereft of its core historical values, divided, emotionally broken and generally febrile, confused about everything, existing in such a state of moral and spiritual decay (broken families, loose morals on everything, refusal of responsibility, child-like behavior at advanced ages...).

If you think.. this is all historically arbitrary, I'd say you were being terribly naive and suggest respectfully you have a look out there on what lots of contemporary thinkers and analysts and ex-members of governments have had to say about "cultural marxism".
The only reason it's worked in Europe is because of the obsession with *justice* of the ppl, that typically Western gullible fiber. No other people or region of the world even thinks in the same terms, Westerners are so manipulable it's terrifying.


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Xupi wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:
I'm a spectator of the world. Things happen, I observe. I do my best not to let my bias stray me away. In that sense, I'm curious to see how much longer France can hold on. I don't think France would survive, say, another 10-15 years of left wing governance, however this won't happen of course, just speculation.
The fate of this nation is coming to a climactic point, like the last receiver of a play coming to a breaking point with the gainline, and it will be interesting to see how the French people responds.
Ultimately, they'll choose whoever they choose and will have only themselves to blame. But it will be interesting to see just how suicidal the people really is.
The dice is already cast; even if FN, say, came to power with the best of intentions and tried to apply everything which is good in their program, they would not be allowed to and we'd probably be on the brink of chaos. I don't think there's a way out.

Just watched this and it's priceless. I like Jean-Paul Brighelli very much, we need more of people of such mould. For once (Odval, pay attention) the journalist comes out good and for once, does his job. 2 politicians are completely useless and another (the Bloche guy) is .. priceless. They are trying to debate about the absolute DISASTER that is French Education, and you see how the politicians are throwing all the energy they can to actually hide the truth which everyone knows. It's quite priceless.
http://www.causeur.fr/education-najat-b ... 43388.html

How such horrible people have been let to power, how we have let their evil ideologies spread, at some point in the 1970's is simply... unbelievable. Completely suicidal.



funny i was thinking this morning to post this link fr you as a counter example of your anti journo stance, guess you are familiar with Riocreux's book as well? la langue de smedias, entertaining and clever


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funny i was thinking this morning to post this link fr you as a counter example of your anti journo stance, guess you are familiar with Riocreux's book as well? la langue de smedias, entertaining and clever
I've head the name, not familiar with the book. TBH I read a lot less these days, don't know why. As a kid and young adult I was a scientist, loved maths and physics. Then suddenly at the age of ~26, I started reading a LOT. Theology first, then a bit of philosophy. Few novels but not enough. History books, a lot. For about ten years. And then gradually, I lost interest. Those past three years I may have read one essay per year and a couple of novels each year and that's it. There were a lot of questions I needed answered, a lot of stuff I needed to understand. Now that I have the answers at least to those questions, not really bothered anymore.


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funny i was thinking this morning to post this link fr you as a counter example of your anti journo stance, guess you are familiar with Riocreux's book as well? la langue de smedias, entertaining and clever
As for journalists, I am aware of the (very few) who are trying to do their jobs properly and smash in the face of leftist propaganda. But they are very much isolated, and usually the hyenas gang up against them (see Zemmour). I also know about Laurent Obertone books, he was a journalist in a local paper I think. As in all corporations, it's not all rotten. Same thing with teachers, on the link I spoted the union representative (the effeminate guy) does seem to make sense and have a grasp on things, it's refreshing. But he is up against forces much bigger than him.


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Xupi wrote:
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funny i was thinking this morning to post this link fr you as a counter example of your anti journo stance, guess you are familiar with Riocreux's book as well? la langue de smedias, entertaining and clever
As for journalists, I am aware of the (very few) who are trying to do their jobs properly and smash in the face of leftist propaganda. But they are very much isolated, and usually the hyenas gang up against them (see Zemmour). I also know about Laurent Obertone books, he was a journalist in a local paper I think. As in all corporations, it's not all rotten. Same thing with teachers, on the link I spoted the union representative (the effeminate guy) does seem to make sense and have a grasp on things, it's refreshing. But he is up against forces much bigger than him.


ref teachers from my experience, whether left wing or right wing the vast majority of them is against the stupidities of the ministry

which is only natural, bakers would not be too pleased if the ministry of health asked them to put shit in the flour


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Hey Xup,
I know: it's Libé and the guy's a teacher, a Corsican one to boot, but:
http://www.liberation.fr/debats/2017/03 ... de_1558139


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Very very bold

but very very funny

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Cheeky Belgians.


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Manny thinks Guyane's an island… Not that clever, but bar Poutou (and Arthaud?) all candidates think it's France. That's absurd.


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I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.

I think it will, if nothing else it will force politicians to follow the will (or general mood) of the population. More than anything else, even above their personal leanings, politicians want power and will appease the public's wishes to get it even if it means compromising their beliefs. People sometimes forget they live in a democracy, that they can win and that it is in their vote that the ultimate power is vested.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:52 am 
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Rugby2023 wrote:
Xupi wrote:
I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.

I think it will, if nothing else it will force politicians to follow the will (or general mood) of the population. More than anything else, even above their personal leanings, politicians want power and will appease the public's wishes to get it even if it means compromising their beliefs. People sometimes forget they live in a democracy, that they can win and that it is in their vote that the ultimate power is vested.


Yeah, sure. The last five years are the exact proof of the contrary: people voted to get rid of an unsufferable authoritarian egotist, his pro-business policies and to stop unemployment. So the cnut they elected soon forgot whatever he uttered during the campaign and immediately became an unbearable buffoon, ruined the Jobs act, wrecked the Health services, made te country a police state and increased unemployment.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:56 am 
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Odval wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Xupi wrote:
I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.

I think it will, if nothing else it will force politicians to follow the will (or general mood) of the population. More than anything else, even above their personal leanings, politicians want power and will appease the public's wishes to get it even if it means compromising their beliefs. People sometimes forget they live in a democracy, that they can win and that it is in their vote that the ultimate power is vested.


Yeah, sure. The last five years are the exact proof of the contrary: people voted to get rid of an unsufferable authoritarian egotist, his pro-business policies and to stop unemployment. So the cnut they elected soon forgot whatever he uttered during the campaign and immediately became an unbearable buffoon, ruined the Jobs act, wrecked the Health services, made te country a police state and increased unemployment.



You manage to find differences between them?


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La soule wrote:
Odval wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Xupi wrote:
I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.

I think it will, if nothing else it will force politicians to follow the will (or general mood) of the population. More than anything else, even above their personal leanings, politicians want power and will appease the public's wishes to get it even if it means compromising their beliefs. People sometimes forget they live in a democracy, that they can win and that it is in their vote that the ultimate power is vested.


Yeah, sure. The last five years are the exact proof of the contrary: people voted to get rid of an unsufferable authoritarian egotist, his pro-business policies and to stop unemployment. So the cnut they elected soon forgot whatever he uttered during the campaign and immediately became an unbearable buffoon, ruined the Jobs act, wrecked the Health services, made te country a police state and increased unemployment.



You manage to find differences between them?


One is fatter.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:59 am 
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Odval wrote:
La soule wrote:
Odval wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Xupi wrote:
I've come to accept, with fatalism, that there is nothing I can do as an individual to prevent the collective crash; also, the elites do a very good job at controlling the downfall, we sink in every possible way but it is not as painful as I thought it would be. It's not been easy, maybe age has helped accept it. The only thing I contribute to is voting for FN, that's the slight glimmer of hope, but it won't be sufficient.

I think it will, if nothing else it will force politicians to follow the will (or general mood) of the population. More than anything else, even above their personal leanings, politicians want power and will appease the public's wishes to get it even if it means compromising their beliefs. People sometimes forget they live in a democracy, that they can win and that it is in their vote that the ultimate power is vested.


Yeah, sure. The last five years are the exact proof of the contrary: people voted to get rid of an unsufferable authoritarian egotist, his pro-business policies and to stop unemployment. So the cnut they elected soon forgot whatever he uttered during the campaign and immediately became an unbearable buffoon, ruined the Jobs act, wrecked the Health services, made te country a police state and increased unemployment.



You manage to find differences between them?


One is fatter.



Good point that


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Salut Odval,

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Hey Xup,
I know: it's Libé and the guy's a teacher, a Corsican one to boot, but:
http://www.liberation.fr/debats/2017/03 ... de_1558139
Just read it. A few parts are interesting (the loss of meaning of words), but I disagree with almost all the rest. Not impressed.


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What is also striking - and somewhat hilarious - is that it seems that once again, the "tables of History are turning". Just like in the past, nationalism started on the left and moved right, same for colonization... it seems that the "moral high ground" is now firmly in the left camp when it used to be right. Marxists, Gramscists, used to never worry about the morality of their acts and even less of their "candidates", what mattered was that their ideas infiltrated society and gradually came to power, which they did, destroying the right. In that time, the "right" had its back against the wall and was harping about "values" being raped, etc...

It seems that we may be seeing a switch between both types, the left having sero ideal nor ideology to defend anymore, they start arguing about "values" and "morality" while there may be signs that the braod spectrum of the right, may finally convert to more realism and really start to believe that their ideas will come to power and infiltrate minds for the decades to come.


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