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Which mobster will win?
Marine "Ma Baker" Le Pen 33%  33%  [ 2 ]
Manny "Smooth Operator" Macron 67%  67%  [ 4 ]
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So Hamon for the win? :thumbup:


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Il n'y a aucune irrationalité à exiger qu'un individu qui prétend gouverner soit, sinon irréprochable, du moins astreint à la logique et au respect des lois dont il est le garant. Dans une démocratie, c'est même une condition basique. Pas étonnant que la France soit à la traîne.
Sauf que là, on est à l'extrême limite quand même faut arrêter de déconner deux secondes. Un parlementaire reçoit une enveloppe budgétaire pour avoir un assistant; aller auditer le travail effectué par l'assistant, on marche sur la tête là. Il ne prend pas l'emploi de quelqu'un d'autre, c'est le gars qui est souverain pour décider de quelle façon son assistant va l'aider le plus, si c'est par des conversations politiques privées, des présences à ses côtés, et alors? je n'y vois aucun scandale. Si les gens sont choqués, et bien alors il faut supprimer cette allocation et augmenter le salaire des députés, et ils engageront alors des consultants qui feront ce qu'ils voudront pour les assister.

C'est complètement spécieux, je n'y vois rien de "grave" contrairement à Cahuzac par exemple. Et en attendant, au lieu de parler de comment on va ramaner de l'emploi dans la France périphérique de Guilluy, laissée à l'abandon depuis 30 ans, on parle de ces broutilles.


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The fact that it is widespread does not make it right. Your acceptance & submission to this behavior is a pity.,
We have a zillion more urgent things to solve than this. A zillion. There are millions of people withtout a job, there are millions of people being robbed and mugged every year, there are entires patches of the territory being abandoned, and the f*cking media spend their days enquiring about who pays the clothes of a certain guy.

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I don't know if it is a dead end. More and more people are appalled and walking away from it.
Good.
But in the end someone will still get elected and will have access to the guns to point at us, to collect our tax money and jeopardize further our children's future.


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Dans le détail, il y a scandale quand le fric public est attribué sans contrat de travail à quelqu'un qui ne fournit aucun travail. De même lorsqu'un élu se fait offrir des cadeaux, ou est rémunéré par un groupe qui va bénéficier d'une réforme piloté par ledit élu/ministre. De même lorsque un élu/ministre balance du fric public dans l'escarcelle de ses enfants lycéens ou étudiants pour un travail fictif.

A la base, il y a scandale quand un élu contrevient aux lois, a fortiori pour piquer dans la caisse, c'est aussi simple que ça…


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La soule wrote:
I care. She got paid with tax money.
To help one guy, the way he wants. She was not rendering a public service per se here, let's stop the bullsh*t.

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There were further charges put forward yesterday: « escroquerie aggravée, faux et usage de faux »
I trust those f*cking judges and the way the whole thing panned out, even less than politicians.

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This is the guy who only a couple of months ago, wearing his conservative catholic hat, was taking a holier than thou position during the primary. The "Would de Gaule have been indicted?" while looking at Juppe and Sarkozy and the promise to step down should he get involved in such an affair are comedy del arte.
Ah but that is his problem, and that is a serious problem for this candidate. But the "outrage" of the people is just ridiculous.

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How you can tolerate that is beyond me.
Tolerate what? that he has employed his wife for years as assistant parlementaire and she has helped him in the ways he wanted, and not necessarily by writing reports and being present in the assemblée? I don't give a flying f*ck, everyone does that everyday, employing their spouse to work in restaurants, small businesses, and they do stuff which is very often not quite what the job description is.


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Xupi wrote:
La soule wrote:
The fact that it is widespread does not make it right. Your acceptance & submission to this behavior is a pity.,
We have a zillion more urgent things to solve than this. A zillion. There are millions of people withtout a job, there are millions of people being robbed and mugged every year, there are entires patches of the territory being abandoned, and the f*cking media spend their days enquiring about who pays the clothes of a certain guy.

La soule wrote:
I don't know if it is a dead end. More and more people are appalled and walking away from it.
Good.
But in the end someone will still get elected and will have access to the guns to point at us, to collect our tax money and jeopardize further our children's future.


Yes, and you trust the people stealing tax money to do the right thing for this? Or even caring?

A blow job by Penelope is not part of what a parliamentary assistant is expected to do top justify the salary.

So yes, she has taken the job of somebody more deserving.


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Xupi wrote:
La soule wrote:
The fact that it is widespread does not make it right. Your acceptance & submission to this behavior is a pity.,
We have a zillion more urgent things to solve than this. A zillion. There are millions of people withtout a job, there are millions of people being robbed and mugged every year, there are entires patches of the territory being abandoned, and the f*cking media spend their days enquiring about who pays the clothes of a certain guy.

La soule wrote:
I don't know if it is a dead end. More and more people are appalled and walking away from it.
Good.
But in the end someone will still get elected and will have access to the guns to point at us, to collect our tax money and jeopardize further our children's future.



The medias and judges are doing their job, which is not governing the country. They're not responsible for the problems poliyticans have created or left aside to rot.

You're basically pleading for dictature…

Re the "guns" bit, they already have access to them, and I tend to think people commanding those with the guns have to be honest and sensible.


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Xupi wrote:
La soule wrote:
I care. She got paid with tax money.
To help one guy, the way he wants. She was not rendering a public service per se here, let's stop the bullsh*t.

La soule wrote:
There were further charges put forward yesterday: « escroquerie aggravée, faux et usage de faux »
I trust those f*cking judges and the way the whole thing panned out, even less than politicians.

La soule wrote:
This is the guy who only a couple of months ago, wearing his conservative catholic hat, was taking a holier than thou position during the primary. The "Would de Gaule have been indicted?" while looking at Juppe and Sarkozy and the promise to step down should he get involved in such an affair are comedy del arte.
Ah but that is his problem, and that is a serious problem for this candidate. But the "outrage" of the people is just ridiculous.

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How you can tolerate that is beyond me.
Tolerate what? that he has employed his wife for years as assistant parlementaire and she has helped him in the ways he wanted, and not necessarily by writing reports and being present in the assemblée? I don't give a flying f*ck, everyone does that everyday, employing their spouse to work in restaurants, small businesses, and they do stuff which is very often not quite what the job description is.



I am sure that the outrage of Pierre Dupont working full time while living in his car in Paris is ridiculous.

He could have had that fat EUR5K monthly income if he had been Fillon's son, while doing nothing for it. Ergo, Pierre is a fool.


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Odval wrote:
Xupi wrote:
La soule wrote:
The fact that it is widespread does not make it right. Your acceptance & submission to this behavior is a pity.,
We have a zillion more urgent things to solve than this. A zillion. There are millions of people withtout a job, there are millions of people being robbed and mugged every year, there are entires patches of the territory being abandoned, and the f*cking media spend their days enquiring about who pays the clothes of a certain guy.

La soule wrote:
I don't know if it is a dead end. More and more people are appalled and walking away from it.
Good.
But in the end someone will still get elected and will have access to the guns to point at us, to collect our tax money and jeopardize further our children's future.



The medias and judges are doing their job, which is not governing the country. They're not responsible for the problems poliyticans have created or left aside to rot.

You're basically pleading for dictature…

Re the "guns" bit, they already have access to them, and I tend to think people commanding those with the guns have to be honest and sensible.



I did not want to go down THAT avenue, but yes indeed/


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Odval wrote:
Dans le détail, il y a scandale quand le fric public est attribué sans contrat de travail à quelqu'un qui ne fournit aucun travail.
Il est impossible de prouver qu'elle n'a fourni "aucun travail", elle a très bien pu jouer un rôle de consultant politique lui donnant des idées, etc... à la fin elle n'était pas emplpyée dans le service public mais pour aider au mieux un homme dans sa mission, il devrait être à même d'en juger au mieux. Après sur des technicalités, on peut être dans l'illégalité, ils arriveront peut-être à leurs fins ces juges, mais je n'y vois rien "d'immoral".

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De même lorsqu'un élu se fait offrir des cadeaux, ou est rémunéré par un groupe qui va bénéficier d'une réforme piloté par ledit élu/ministre. De même lorsque un élu/ministre balance du fric public dans l'escarcelle de ses enfants lycéens ou étudiants pour un travail fictif.
Non pas "de même", ce sont des problématiques différentes. Il y a des règles de lobbying, elles doivent être respectées. C'est un autre débat. Mais là encore, il existe des tombereaux d'argent versés par les pétromonarchies du Golfe sur les hommes politiques français depuis des années, il existe des clubs de lobby officiels, des contrats de "consulting" pharaoniques parfaitement légaux. Et tout ça, parce que ça a peut-être l'apparrence de la "légalité" passe comme une lettre à la poste.

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A la base, il y a scandale quand un élu contrevient aux lois, a fortiori pour piquer dans la caisse, c'est aussi simple que ça…
Il aurait employé une autre assistant qui lui aurait tapé des rapports qu'il n'aurait jamais lu, mais ça changeait quoi à la fin pour l'argent public? rien.


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Yes, and you trust the people stealing tax money to do the right thing for this? Or even caring?
I draw a huge line between évasion fiscale and what Fillon is being accused of. Huge. But let's carry on and talk about this, rather than what these guys say they will actually do when in power. Because one of them will actually be elected.

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A blow job by Penelope is not part of what a parliamentary assistant is expected to do top justify the salary.
So yes, she has taken the job of somebody more deserving.
No she has not, he has no obligation to employ someone, if she did not produce reports or whatever else it means he did not need them.


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Yes, and you trust the people stealing tax money to do the right thing for this? Or even caring?
I draw a huge line between évasion fiscale and what Fillon is being accused of. Huge. But let's carry on and talk about this, rather than what these guys say they will actually do when in power. Because one of them will actually be elected.

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A blow job by Penelope is not part of what a parliamentary assistant is expected to do top justify the salary.
So yes, she has taken the job of somebody more deserving.
No she has not, he has no obligation to employ someone, if she did not produce reports or whatever else it means he did not need them.


For EUR5K a month????

Leaving this as this is yet again something we are not going to agree on.


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The medias and judges are doing their job, which is not governing the country. They're not responsible for the problems poliyticans have created or left aside to rot.
What? both coprorations have a HUGE responsibility in some of the problems that rot our country, they are every bit as responsible as politicians. And I remind you of the Syndicat de la Magistrature, in itself a much much bigger scandal than Pénélope.

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You're basically pleading for dictature…
I'd like judges to be forbidden to form unions and engage itno political activism. Same of journalists. Even after they have quit their jobs. Because those powers have become too important now to be so complacent about them.

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Re the "guns" bit, they already have access to them, and I tend to think people commanding those with the guns have to be honest and sensible.
Let's assume Mélenchon has "clean hands" (which I don't for one second believe), he'd be better with guns in hand than a guy like Fillon? les pères la vertu dans l'histoire, have always been the absolute WORST when in power.


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For EUR5K a month????
Leaving this as this is yet again something we are not going to agree on.
Mais putain tu crois que la majorité des autres assistants parlementaires les méritent ces €5k par mois, pour un boulot de super-secrétaire??? mais enfin... c'est une largesse que la république a toujours offert à ses élus, et avant c'était encore bien pire. Ils ont aussi des remboursements de frais monstrueux, des avantages fiscaux et au niveau de leurs retraites hallucinants. Cette histoire de Pénélope n'a rien de scandaleux, si on veut s'offusquer c'est l'ensemble de ces avantages qui le sont.

Pour l'anecdote, j'ai vaguement connu un gars, lui aussi étudiant, qui était assistant parlementaire d'un élu PS. Il était encarté, il l'aidait un peu, l'accompagnait, lui servait de secrétaire, et surtout se formait politiquement pour devenir un futur cadre du parti. Le travail réel accompli était très faible, c'était le job en or vu la paye.


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For EUR5K a month????
Leaving this as this is yet again something we are not going to agree on.
Mais putain tu crois que la majorité des autres assistants parlementaires les méritent ces €5k par mois, pour un boulot de super-secrétaire??? mais enfin... c'est une largesse que la république a toujours offert à ses élus, et avant c'était encore bien pire. Ils ont aussi des remboursements de frais monstrueux, des avantages fiscaux et au niveau de leurs retraites hallucinants. Cette histoire de Pénélope n'a rien de scandaleux, si on veut s'offusquer c'est l'ensemble de ces avantages qui le sont.

Pour l'anecdote, j'ai vaguement connu un gars, lui aussi étudiant, qui était assistant parlementaire d'un élu PS. Il était encarté, il l'aidait un peu, l'accompagnait, lui servait de secrétaire, et surtout se formait politiquement pour devenir un futur cadre du parti. Le travail réel accompli était très faible, c'était le job en or vu la paye.



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I am sure that the outrage of Pierre Dupont working full time while living in his car in Paris is ridiculous.
He could have had that fat EUR5K monthly income if he had been Fillon's son, while doing nothing for it. Ergo, Pierre is a fool.

That is pure populism.

The people ruling over such a huge country are always going to be rich, otherwise there is something very wrong. I don't mind them being filthy rich, if they manage to be smart enough so that Pierre Dupont has a home a decent way to earn his wages.


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Ben oui
Sauf que là c'est juste une cabale contre un candidat, le favori en plus, quelques mois avant l'élection la plus importante. C'est simplement grotesque, mais encore une fois le coup de propagande est très bien joué, d'auatnt plus que ledit candidat s'était érigé en modèle de vertu et de rigueur (ce qui était bien entendu une funeste erreur).


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Xupi wrote:
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Ben oui
Sauf que là c'est juste une cabale contre un candidat, le favori en plus, quelques mois avant l'élection la plus importante. C'est simplement grotesque, mais encore une fois le coup de propagande est très bien joué, d'auatnt plus que ledit candidat s'était érigé en modèle de vertu et de rigueur (ce qui était bien entendu une funeste erreur).


Il s'est fait chope. Point

Il a raconte n'importe quoi.

Lui, Marine, le PS, les autres, tous pareils.


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Xupi wrote:
La soule wrote:
I am sure that the outrage of Pierre Dupont working full time while living in his car in Paris is ridiculous.
He could have had that fat EUR5K monthly income if he had been Fillon's son, while doing nothing for it. Ergo, Pierre is a fool.

That is pure populism.

The people ruling over such a huge country are always going to be rich, otherwise there is something very wrong. I don't mind them being filthy rich, if they manage to be smart enough so that Pierre Dupont has a home a decent way to earn his wages.


It is about fake employment. Money earned without doing the work to justify it, paid with some of the taxes paid by Pierre.

Pierre should be pissed off indeed.


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Il s'est fait chope. Point
Nan, les journalistes et les réseaux gauchistes ont fait en sorte que tout cela soit étalé au bon moment et avec grand fracas, alors que comme on le découvre, quasiment tous font pareil.

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Il a raconte n'importe quoi.
Ben oui c'est un homme politique quoi, c'est leur métier, de quoi te plains-tu au juste? Il a même fait très fort: déclarer solennellement qu'il ne serait pas candidat si mix en examen, puis fair exactement l'inverse quelques semaines plus tard. C'est très très fort.

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Lui, Marine, le PS, les autres, tous pareils.
Oui. Mais leurs politiques elles par contre, ne sont pas forcément les mêmes.


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Ben oui c'est un homme politique quoi, c'est leur métier, de quoi te plains-tu au juste?


T'as pas bien suivi, si?


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It is about fake employment. Money earned without doing the work to justify it, paid with some of the taxes paid by Pierre.
Pierre should be pissed off indeed.
In the eyes of Fillon she may very well have helped him in the way to make his job more efficient to represent properly the people who had elected him, it's nigh impossible to prove. It's not a "public job", it's a largesse granted by the system.

Pierre should be pissed off that he has no job and that no one cares.

He should be outraged that some peopke are seriously considering that, because they just cannot completely get rid off the "people", they will instituate a universal income so that they will never ever complain that they have no job and therefore, are not part of the collective effort of the community to produce goods and services and make sure we live in a civilized place. He should be outraged that, despite him not being able to find a job, the people ruling his country are contiuing to tolerate, if not encourage, that year after year hundreds of thousand of foreigners come in this country and either take the job Pierre could have held, or aggravate the public spendings meaning Pierre will receive less and less assistance to be housed or looked after when ill.


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T'as pas bien suivi, si?
Si j'ai bien suivi, tu veux des hommes politiques honnêtes et intègres. Pourquoi pas des rugbmen français champions du monde tant qu'on y est?


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lol I just had a funny thought: I wonder what it'd be like if Melenchon actually became president. Like I personally have an idea for Le Pen who's on the other extreme more or less, but gah, just imagine being, say, a year and a half into a Melenchon presidency, waking up on an average Tuesday... turning the tv on, he's there as PRESIDENT making some speech.. what the hell would it be like ?..


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Most like a very healthy conversation about pogroms.


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The medias and judges are doing their job, which is not governing the country. They're not responsible for the problems poliyticans have created or left aside to rot.
What? both coprorations have a HUGE responsibility in some of the problems that rot our country, they are every bit as responsible as politicians. And I remind you of the Syndicat de la Magistrature, in itself a much much bigger scandal than Pénélope.

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You're basically pleading for dictature…
I'd like judges to be forbidden to form unions and engage itno political activism. Same of journalists. Even after they have quit their jobs. Because those powers have become too important now to be so complacent about them.

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Re the "guns" bit, they already have access to them, and I tend to think people commanding those with the guns have to be honest and sensible.
Let's assume Mélenchon has "clean hands" (which I don't for one second believe), he'd be better with guns in hand than a guy like Fillon? les pères la vertu dans l'histoire, have always been the absolute WORST when in power.


Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and corporations.

Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?

As if it was not clear enough, I don't give a flying fuck about that cnut Mélenchon and other candidates, and France too, to be honest. AFAIK, he's every bit as corrupt as Fillon and Narine. What I'm underlining is Frogland is rotten to the core and ripe for dictatorship, and your answers are proving me right.


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Some more cream on your crapuccino? Le Pen's campaign hired a Hitler admirer despite a judicial order banning him from having ties with her party… 


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La soule wrote:
Most like a very healthy conversation about pogroms.


Conversation... I dunno. It won't actually happen of course so we won't get to actually know, but I have a feeling with this man it would be a very awkward mix between lots of classy poetry, and brutal irreversible action taken. :D
He appears to me like that old uncle who's a fanatic of history and old classical literature which he can quote at will, who's in between the dream/fantasy world of eloquent language and fancy ideals, and a violent reality.


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Some more cream on your crapuccino? Le Pen's campaign hired a Hitler admirer despite a judicial order banning him from having ties with her party… 



That's the GUD guy innit? Not very smart indeed.


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Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and coporations.
They don't report the reality, they report what a/ fits their leftist narrative and b/ what will buzz.

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Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?
Because they are part of a corporation that has a HUGE power, more than the military who are barred form several citizen's rights.

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What I'm underlining is Frogland is rotten to the core and ripe for dictatorship, and your answers are proving me right.
What you fail to see is the broader picture: it's the same trend, more or less, in most "western countries". I personally doubt "dictatorship" is at the end of the road, at least certainly not in the way you mean it.

In any case, we are here clearly seeing a glimpse of what the future could be: privileged hyperclasses, such as the judges, interfering into a democratic process. With the complicity of journalists. That's another form of dictatorship.


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Most like a very healthy conversation about pogroms.


Conversation... I dunno. It won't actually happen of course so we won't get to actually know, but I have a feeling with this man it would be a very awkward mix between lots of classy poetry, and brutal irreversible action taken. :D
He appears to me like that old uncle who's a fanatic of history and old classical literature which he can quote at will, who's in between the dream/fantasy world of eloquent language and fancy ideals, and a violent reality.



There's nothing dreamy about that one, he's as brutal as you could expect from a self-declared Robespierre's admirer. An hypocrite too: he dubbed himself as "unruly", but he spent all his life feeding on public money, mostly in the Socialist ranks, and earns a "modest" €15,000/monthly.
A Jacobin and imperialist, he's best China's support in France and has promised to enforce a law which de facto could allow the govt to detail any opponent.


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Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and coporations.
They don't report the reality, they report what a/ fits their leftist narrative and b/ what will buzz.

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Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?
Because they are part of a corporation that has a HUGE power, more than the military who are barred form several citizen's rights.

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What I'm underlining is Frogland is rotten to the core and ripe for dictatorship, and your answers are proving me right.
What you fail to see is the broader picture: it's the same trend, more or less, in most "western countries". I personally doubt "dictatorship" is at the end of the road, at least certainly not in the way you mean it.

In any case, we are here clearly seeing a glimpse of what the future could be: privileged hyperclasses, such as the judges, interfering into a democratic process. With the complicity of journalists. That's another form of dictatorship.


As if all journos were powerful lefties… That's quite a strange claim from you, as you always struck me as articulate and sensible. Tbf, if I was that powerful, I'd ask for a more comfy salary.

Dictatorship is not that far from what France is experiencing at the mo, thanks to Hollande, Valls and Cazeneuve, and I don't doubt for a second Mélenchon or the CCIF would be less toxic.


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Odval wrote:
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La soule wrote:
Most like a very healthy conversation about pogroms.


Conversation... I dunno. It won't actually happen of course so we won't get to actually know, but I have a feeling with this man it would be a very awkward mix between lots of classy poetry, and brutal irreversible action taken. :D
He appears to me like that old uncle who's a fanatic of history and old classical literature which he can quote at will, who's in between the dream/fantasy world of eloquent language and fancy ideals, and a violent reality.



There's nothing dreamy about that one, he's as brutal as you could expect from a self-declared Robespierre's admirer. An hypocrite too: he dubbed himself as "unruly", but he spent all his life feeding on public money, mostly in the Socialist ranks, and earns a "modest" €15,000/monthly.
A Jacobin and imperialist, he's best China's support in France and has promised to enforce a law which de facto could allow the govt to detail any opponent.


Yes you're right, should've said "fantasy world" alone instead. 'Dream' has a different connotation. I just mean he'll still need to cater to the ppl he's selling his stuff to, and those are ppl who love to hear Moliere-inspired wankery with plenty of quotes and big words and old school smooth expressions. He commands attention and appreciation through how he appears to ppl, his image, and you could say much of his attraction is based off that sort of appeal alone. He's the revolutionary with a silky tongue who behind the curtains of the play has some strange dangerous old things to propagate in the nation.


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As if all journos were powerful lefties… That's quite a strange claim from you, as you always struck me as articulate and sensible. Tbf, if I was that powerful, I'd ask for a more comfy salary.
I'm talking about a corporation, not about every single individual. It's like saying Education Nationale leans to the left: it's obvious on the whole, and yet plenty of teachers vote for FN (more and more actually).


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I'm sorry....I'm sorry this all reminds me of this so much :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVoXrHnC0RE


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As if all journos were powerful lefties… That's quite a strange claim from you, as you always struck me as articulate and sensible. Tbf, if I was that powerful, I'd ask for a more comfy salary.
I'm talking about a corporation, not about every single individual. It's like saying Education Nationale leans to the left: it's obvious on the whole, and yet plenty of teachers vote for FN (more and more actually).



So I should be punsihed because of some alleged "deviant thinking" among my corporation ? That's ludicrous.
I don't buy anything based upon collective guilt, mainly because it's absurd, but also because it's a lie all the dictators and would-be tyrants have always been using as an "argument".


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Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and corporations.

Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?


Just think how much simpler things would be if we finally cracked down on those horrible free medias and judges... No more embarrassing revelations when it's just not convenient, heck, no more embarrassing at all, and no accountability for things that the average taxpayer shouldn't be bothered with in the first place like where their tax money goes...


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Odval wrote:
Putting the blame on the media is stupid: their only job is to report what's going, not only echoeing whatever dribble emanating from pollies and corporations.

Why on earth journos should be barred from basic rights?


Just think how much simpler things would be if we finally cracked down on those horrible free medias and judges... No more embarrassing revelations when it's just not convenient, heck, no more embarrassing at all, and no accountability for things that the average taxpayer shouldn't be bothered with in the first place like where their tax money goes...


Heaven on Earth.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Just think how much simpler things would be if we finally cracked down on those horrible free medias and judges...
:lol: what a joker. "Free" media and judges, mais putain...

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
No more embarrassing revelations when it's just not convenient, heck, no more embarrassing at all, and no accountability for things that the average taxpayer shouldn't be bothered with in the first place like where their tax money goes...
If only we had "free" and professional media unbiased by their leftists ideology, and independant judges, not co-opted in the same circles as politicians.

Putain les mecs, lâchez rien surtout, on se marre :lol:


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If only we had "free" and professional media unbiased by their leftists ideology


It's a media outlet's prerogative to have an editorial line of their own choosing. Of course, if you stopped your subscription to Minute because of their leftist ideology, I can see why you feel cornered.


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