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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:02 pm 
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earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


His mate "in the know".


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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I like how even after the 4 Welsh regions put this evidence in the public domain, it's still a load of old b0ll0cks. :lol: :lol:


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I like how even after the 4 Welsh regions put this evidence in the public domain, it's still a load of old b0ll0cks. :lol: :lol:

No, now we are just laughing at you for how stupid you were to:

a) go for this deal in the first place
b) moan about it thus drawing our attention to it


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I like how even after the 4 Welsh regions put this evidence in the public domain, it's still a load of old b0ll0cks. :lol: :lol:

No, now we are just laughing at you for how stupid you were to:

a) go for this deal in the first place
b) moan about it thus drawing our attention to it


As much influence as I have, it wasn't actually me that signed off on this one.


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It must have been Dai's "mate in the know" so :lol: :lol: :lol:


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It does show that the Welsh obviously care far more about the game in these parts than anybody else though, having effectively subsidised Celtic rugby for the last 6 or 7 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242


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Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242


Ouch.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242



So 1.2 million less than Dai said.


And confirmation that the Sky deal is 5 million and as i have shown they are here purely for irish rugby.

So we're carrying the Welsh like a cripple.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Dai another day wrote:
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This was a question that the Welsh regions wanted answered. As far as I know this deal has not been changed, the only difference being that Sky have come on board with around £5m

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With the significant proposed contribution of £3.2m from Welsh television to secondary TV rights for Pro12, why is the estimated contribution from Irish TV only £910,000 and from Scottish TV only £140,000?

http://www.ospreysrugby.com/News/Article/32007


As for those Micks offering gobshite views on sponsors, they really should check where the holding companies of RaboDirect and Guinness are based.

Idiots.


There you go, munch.

Egg on face for many of the Irish.


Dai, I still want proof that the Regions don't take the lions share of their broadcasting revenue. The RRW statement fails to support your assertion, and actually weakens it .......


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242



So 1.2 million less than Dai said.


And confirmation that the Sky deal is 5 million and as i have shown they are here purely for irish rugby.

So we're carrying the Welsh like a cripple.


Fair play that's some gargantuan level of delusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Kid A wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242


Ouch.

That article says that the SKY deal is worth 2 million pounds more than the Welsh deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242



So 1.2 million less than Dai said.


And confirmation that the Sky deal is 5 million and as i have shown they are here purely for irish rugby.

So we're carrying the Welsh like a cripple.


No the Wail got it wrong. It is 4 million.

As we discussed yesterday, Sky DID NOT purchase the rights to the PrO'12 just for Irish rugby.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242



So 1.2 million less than Dai said.


And confirmation that the Sky deal is 5 million and as i have shown they are here purely for irish rugby.

So we're carrying the Welsh like a cripple.


:?
He said £3m article says around "The value of the deal has not been disclosed, but is understood to be in the region of £3m a season."


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Date Time Home Score Away Venue TV/Att
Round 1
Fri 2 Sep 19:35 Leinster Rugby v Benetton Rugby Treviso RDS Arena TG4 More
Fri 2 Sep 19:35 Ospreys v Zebre Rugby Liberty Stadium BBCW More
Fri 2 Sep 19:35 Ulster Rugby v Newport Gwent Dragons Kingspan Stadium BBCNI More
Sat 3 Sep 15:00 Scarlets v Munster Rugby Parc y Scarlets Sky More
Sat 3 Sep 17:15 Connacht Rugby v Glasgow Warriors Sportsground Sky More
Sat 3 Sep 19:35 Cardiff Blues v Edinburgh Rugby BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park S4C/BBC ALBA More
Round 2
Fri 9 Sep 19:15 Newport Gwent Dragons v Zebre Rugby Rodney Parade More
Fri 9 Sep 19:35 Edinburgh Rugby v Scarlets BT Murrayfield BBC ALBA More
Fri 9 Sep 19:35 Munster Rugby v Cardiff Blues Irish Independent Park TG4/BBCW More
Sat 10 Sep 15:00 Glasgow Warriors v Leinster Rugby Scotstoun Stadium Sky More
Sat 10 Sep 19:35 Connacht Rugby v Ospreys Sportsground TG4/S4C More
Sat 10 Sep 20:05 Benetton Rugby Treviso v Ulster Rugby Stadio Monigo TBC/BBCNI More
Round 3
Fri 16 Sep 19:00 Cardiff Blues v Glasgow Warriors BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park More
Fri 16 Sep 19:05 Ulster Rugby v Scarlets Kingspan Stadium BBCNI/BBCW More
Fri 16 Sep 19:35 Edinburgh Rugby v Leinster Rugby BT Murrayfield BBC ALBA/TG4 More
Sat 17 Sep 17:15 Newport Gwent Dragons v Munster Rugby Rodney Parade Sky More
Sat 17 Sep 18:05 Zebre Rugby v Connacht Rugby Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi TBC/TG4 More
Sat 17 Sep 19:35 Ospreys v Benetton Rugby Treviso Liberty Stadium S4C More
Round 4
Fri 23 Sep 19:35 Glasgow Warriors v Ulster Rugby Scotstoun Stadium ALBA/BBCNI More
Fri 23 Sep 19:35 Leinster Rugby v Ospreys RDS Arena TG4/BBCW More
Fri 23 Sep 20:05 Benetton Rugby Treviso v Newport Gwent Dragons Stadio Monigo TBC More
Sat 24 Sep 15:00 Munster Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby Thomond Park Sky More
Sat 24 Sep 17:05 Zebre Rugby v Cardiff Blues Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi TBC More
Sat 24 Sep 19:35 Scarlets v Connacht Rugby Parc y Scarlets S4C/TG4 More
Round 5
Fri 30 Sep 19:35 Connacht Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby Sportsground TG4 More
Fri 30 Sep 19:35 Newport Gwent Dragons v Glasgow Warriors Rodney Parade BBCW/ALBA More
Sat 1 Oct 17:00 Munster Rugby v Zebre Rugby Thomond Park More
Sat 1 Oct 18:30 Ulster Rugby v Ospreys Kingspan Stadium Sky More
Sat 1 Oct 19:35 Cardiff Blues v Leinster Rugby BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park S4C/TG4 More
Sat 1 Oct 20:05 Benetton Rugby Treviso v Scarlets Stadio Monigo TBC More
Round 6
Fri 7 Oct 19:35 Connacht Rugby v Ulster Rugby Sportsground TG4/BBCNI More
Fri 7 Oct 19:35 Edinburgh Rugby v Benetton Rugby Treviso BT Murrayfield BBC ALBA More
Fri 7 Oct 19:35 Ospreys v Cardiff Blues Liberty Stadium BBCW More
Sat 8 Oct 14:05 Leinster Rugby v Munster Rugby Aviva Stadium Sky/TG4 More
Sat 8 Oct 17:05 Zebre Rugby v Glasgow Warriors Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi TBC/BBC ALBA More
Sat 8 Oct 19:35 Scarlets v Newport Gwent Dragons Parc y Scarlets S4C More


:lol: :lol: :lol:

There you have it, first 6 rounds and the Sky game on EVERY occasion has featured an irish side.

Remind me who they are paying that money to televise.

You're a retard Dai, I'd be shocked if somebody gave you a job stacking shelves in Tesco.



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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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feckwanker wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242


Ouch.

That article says that the SKY deal is worth 2 million pounds more than the Welsh deal.


Which is more or less what I typed about 30 posts ago. Keep up.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Dai another day wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Tim. wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start.

Source?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... ew-7529242



So 1.2 million less than Dai said.


And confirmation that the Sky deal is 5 million and as i have shown they are here purely for irish rugby.

So we're carrying the Welsh like a cripple.


No the Wail got it wrong. It is 4 million.

As we discussed yesterday, Sky DID NOT purchase the rights to the PrO'12 just for Irish rugby.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Well Tim?


Or rather his link did...Then Earl replied...

earl the beaver wrote:
I'd like to see the figures behind the Ospreys link btw. My sources tell me the following:

BBC Wales - £1.4m
S4C - £860k
TG4 - £860k
BBC NI - £860k
BB Scotland - £380k

They might be old though.


... to which Dai replied "Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start."

I was curious, Googled, and found the WRU mouthpiece version.

This £4m stuff is new.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Tim. wrote:
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Well Tim?


Or rather his link did...Then Earl replied...

earl the beaver wrote:
I'd like to see the figures behind the Ospreys link btw. My sources tell me the following:

BBC Wales - £1.4m
S4C - £860k
TG4 - £860k
BBC NI - £860k
BB Scotland - £380k

They might be old though.


... to which Dai replied "Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start."

I was curious, Googled, and found the WRU mouthpiece version.

This £4m stuff is new.


Well, it's just been invented, as is Dai's claim that the Irish sponge of the Welsh regions. He has failed to provide evidence for his baseless claim, because no evidence exists. It's a myth.

The WRU accounts show that the Regions earn more competition revenue than the Provinces, over a few years, and that's because they take the lions share of their broadcasting revenue. It isn't distributed evenly between the Welsh, Scots and Irish.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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Mullet 2 wrote:

There you have it, first 6 rounds and the Sky game on EVERY occasion has featured an irish side.

Remind me who they are paying that money to televise.

You're a retard Dai, I'd be shocked if somebody gave you a job stacking shelves in Tesco.



BOOM[/quote]

Loathed as I am to get into the middle of an argument between an Irishman and Welshman but surely it's no coincidence that all the BT games involve a team they sponsor as the home team? Surely this stems from the time a deal was done to put a European Cup back together, otherwise those games too, like the Irish marquee ones would be on Sky?


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I was being an idiot. Read the stadium sponsor(s) as the TV channel. :lol:


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As for those Micks offering gobshite views on sponsors, they really should check where the holding companies of RaboDirect and Guinness are based.

Idiots.


I have Kid A on ignore but as you have decided to quote him. RaboDirect sponsored the league to break in to the Irish market.


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As for those Micks offering gobshite views on sponsors, they really should check where the holding companies of RaboDirect and Guinness are based.

Idiots.


I have Kid A on ignore but as you have decided to quote him. RaboDirect sponsored the league to break in to the Irish market.


So RaboDirect aren't infact Irish? Nobody has even admitted they're wrong. They just scrabble for a "But We're Irish so we can't be wrong, this is rugby we govern it" answer.

Pathetic. Even when a company isn't Irish, they are sponsoring something just because they want to be involved with Molly Malone and champ.

f**k Nora I've heard it all.


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Kid A wrote:
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As for those Micks offering gobshite views on sponsors, they really should check where the holding companies of RaboDirect and Guinness are based.

Idiots.


I have Kid A on ignore but as you have decided to quote him. RaboDirect sponsored the league to break in to the Irish market.


So RaboDirect aren't infact Irish? Nobody has even admitted they're wrong. They just scrabble for a "But We're Irish so we can't be wrong, this is rugby we govern it" answer.

Pathetic. Even when a company isn't Irish, they are sponsoring something just because they want to be involved with Molly Malone and champ.

f**k Nora I've heard it all.


No, it is you that claims that, not the Irish posters, Kid A/Dai.

The Irish are your odd obsession, and one that drives your rather strange agenda.


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Well Tim?


Or rather his link did...Then Earl replied...

earl the beaver wrote:
I'd like to see the figures behind the Ospreys link btw. My sources tell me the following:

BBC Wales - £1.4m
S4C - £860k
TG4 - £860k
BBC NI - £860k
BB Scotland - £380k

They might be old though.


... to which Dai replied "Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start."

I was curious, Googled, and found the WRU mouthpiece version.

This £4m stuff is new.


Well, it's just been invented, as is Dai's claim that the Irish sponge of the Welsh regions. He has failed to provide evidence for his baseless claim, because no evidence exists. It's a myth.

The WRU accounts show that the Regions earn more competition revenue than the Provinces, over a few years, and that's because they take the lions share of their broadcasting revenue. It isn't distributed evenly between the Welsh, Scots and Irish.

ERC :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Anonymous. wrote:
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Tim. wrote:
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Well Tim?


Or rather his link did...Then Earl replied...

earl the beaver wrote:
I'd like to see the figures behind the Ospreys link btw. My sources tell me the following:

BBC Wales - £1.4m
S4C - £860k
TG4 - £860k
BBC NI - £860k
BB Scotland - £380k

They might be old though.


... to which Dai replied "Add a few million on the BBC Wales figure for a start."

I was curious, Googled, and found the WRU mouthpiece version.

This £4m stuff is new.


Well, it's just been invented, as is Dai's claim that the Irish sponge of the Welsh regions. He has failed to provide evidence for his baseless claim, because no evidence exists. It's a myth.

The WRU accounts show that the Regions earn more competition revenue than the Provinces, over a few years, and that's because they take the lions share of their broadcasting revenue. It isn't distributed evenly between the Welsh, Scots and Irish.

ERC :lol: :lol: :lol:


ERC? I think you have probably tagged that on to the wrong post.

Anyway, the ERC wasn't controlled by the Irish. If it was, then they did a much better job of running it than the spivs are doing with the "new" competition. If the Irish were in control of the old one, then hand over this competition to the Irish.


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Judging by this thread content I'm loath to resurrect it, but it seems to be the most appropriately titled thread for this -

If it was just twats like us speculating on this rubbish then I wouldn't be so concerned, but the fact its people in position to actually make it happen is very disturbing:

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Super Rugby teams could be joining the PRO12 from next year - Reports
By Sean McMahon
This would be very interesting.

We all know that changes to the PRO12 will happen at some stage.

It is no secret that PRO 12 CEO, Martin Anayi, is looking to add more teams to the competition from lucrative and growing markets in order to generate more revenue for the tournament.

The competition currently languishes behind the Top14 and Aviva Premiership in terms of it's commercial viability.

Over the past 12 months, we have had stories surrounding potential new franchises joining the competition from The United States, Germany and the ever improving Georgia.

What is certain is that there will be changes to the competition in the near future with regards to new additions.

The only question is where will these new teams will come from.

The latest speculation surrounding this has come from South Africa.

Super Rugby is currently going through a crisis where tournament organisers are looking to axe three teams - two from South Africa and one from Australia.

The South African teams are rumoured to be The Cheetahs and The Southern Kings.

While the Australian team will either be the Melbourne Rebels or The Western Force.

According to Sport24, former CEO of The Southern Spears, Tony McKeever, has held discussions with Martin Anayi with regards to adding The Cheetahs and Kings to the PRO 12 and rebranding the tournament as the PRO14.

“I have already engaged the PRO12 CEO Martin Anayi and proposed he take these two teams and rebrand this as PRO14 and let the Cheetahs and Eastern Province Rugby be a part of this tournament, which starts in September," said McKeever.

McKeever wants The Kings to rebrand themselves as an Eastern Province franchise.

McKeever proposal does make sense.

The two franchises already have established playing squads at their disposal and their inclusion in the PRO12 would makes sense from a TV audience perspective i.e. similar time zones to Western Europe.

"Martin [Anayi] is a visionary and seeks to expand PRO12 into new markets and grow the PRO12 TV audiences and spectators. This is a perfect synergistic way to accomplish that with South African Rugby," McKeever added.

There is so much speculation at the moment that it is difficult to know what reports are to believed but in two years time, we could easily see our provinces playing fixtures in some new countries.


from https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/super-rugby-teams-joining-pro12-next-year-reports-121063


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They keep talking about expansion in N. America, Spain & South Africa so often that at some point I think one of these things is going to happen.
In the meantime there's still talk about moving the Zebre to Milan and/or Rome depending on what side of the bed Gavazzi got up from


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Yeah the Yank team talk is even dafter than the Saffa stuff. f**k me though have they not learned anything from the shambles that is SuperDuper rugby - stop f**k tinkering with the tournament. Especially in nonsensical ways!


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Pro 12 have 2 euro semi finalists compared to 1 from England and 1 from France. Those 2 teams also happen to take the league seriously. Maybe there's a clue in there for the welsh.


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Yeah the Yank team talk is even dafter than the Saffa stuff. f**k me though have they not learned anything from the shambles that is SuperDuper rugby - stop f**k tinkering with the tournament. Especially in nonsensical ways!

Very real chance the Dragons wont last another 2 years. And there is a view in wales that they can't support even 3 competitive pro teams ( cardiff director). They need to do something.


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Pro 12 have 2 euro semi finalists compared to 1 from England and 1 from France. Those 2 teams also happen to take the league seriously. Maybe there's a clue in there for the welsh.


Hopefully in future, when they're not guaranteed places on the Lions tour, that will happen.


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Yeah the Yank team talk is even dafter than the Saffa stuff. f**k me though have they not learned anything from the shambles that is SuperDuper rugby - stop f**k tinkering with the tournament. Especially in nonsensical ways!


I may be in the minority but I hate this desire to grow the game in new markets. There are plenty of places rugby is popular but not enough is being done to improve there. It's in the national sport in Wales ffs and there's no real club support.

I'd prefer it to remain a semi-niche sport if it means it doesn't get diluted.


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Yeah the Yank team talk is even dafter than the Saffa stuff. f**k me though have they not learned anything from the shambles that is SuperDuper rugby - stop f**k tinkering with the tournament. Especially in nonsensical ways!


I may be in the minority but I hate this desire to grow the game in new markets. There are plenty of places rugby is popular but not enough is being done to improve there. It's in the national sport in Wales ffs and there's no real club support.

I'd prefer it to remain a semi-niche sport if it means it doesn't get diluted.


I'm not against growing the game in the slightest, I just don't think bastardizing existing comps is the best (or even a good) way of going about that. Plus, growing the game is not the motivation for these moves, its because the twats running the discussions believe there's revenues to be exploited. What they don't seem to realise is the relationship between their existing revenues and treating the people that provide them with contempt.

Paddyor, while recognizing that Dragons are in a fair bit of trouble, there's no guarantee that these sort of moves will end up creating increased revenues (in fact there is significant risk they will do the opposite as people lose interest in a bastardised league - see Super Rugby. Hell if the Welsh on here are to be believed they've f**k all interest in it as it is [despite confusingly simultaneously paying millions for TV rights]).


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:12 pm 
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Pro 12 have 2 euro semi finalists compared to 1 from England and 1 from France. Those 2 teams also happen to take the league seriously. Maybe there's a clue in there for the welsh.


Hopefully in future, when they're not guaranteed places on the Lions tour, that will happen.


Depends on if you want to see more of this or not, I guess. :nod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g-Q-kG22P8


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 Post subject: Re: Pro12 Future
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PornDog wrote:
tiddle wrote:
PornDog wrote:
Yeah the Yank team talk is even dafter than the Saffa stuff. f**k me though have they not learned anything from the shambles that is SuperDuper rugby - stop f**k tinkering with the tournament. Especially in nonsensical ways!


I may be in the minority but I hate this desire to grow the game in new markets. There are plenty of places rugby is popular but not enough is being done to improve there. It's in the national sport in Wales ffs and there's no real club support.

I'd prefer it to remain a semi-niche sport if it means it doesn't get diluted.


I'm not against growing the game in the slightest, I just don't think bastardizing existing comps is the best (or even a good) way of going about that. Plus, growing the game is not the motivation for these moves, its because the twats running the discussions believe there's revenues to be exploited. What they don't seem to realise is the relationship between their existing revenues and treating the people that provide them with contempt.

Paddyor, while recognizing that Dragons are in a fair bit of trouble, there's no guarantee that these sort of moves will end up creating increased revenues (in fact there is significant risk they will do the opposite as people lose interest in a bastardised league - see Super Rugby. Hell if the Welsh on here are to be believed they've f**k all interest in it as it is [despite confusingly simultaneously paying millions for TV rights]).


What I meant was trying to penetrate new markets where rugby is relatively non-existant. I agree ruining competitions is the worst way to do it.

I think if you improve the product, people will watch it. Imo, the best way to improve it is to reduce the number of games thus making each match matter more.


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