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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:56 pm 
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Siao7 wrote:
F1 Racer wrote:
Fiki wrote:
F1 Racer wrote:
So maybe Vettel was smart for 'ignoring' the presence of Leclerc when they hit too right?
That has nothing to do with the Albon-Hamilton incident, simply because the Vettel accident happened on a straight, where he could and should have made sure he had completed his overtake before cutting off Leclerc.
Albon defended into a corner, was ahead all the way into the corner up to the apex, and according to the rule Charlie Whiting explained long ago, he had the right to the corner. I can only assume that Hamilton also remembered this 'rule', and that this is why he instantly knew he was in trouble. It is also the reason why he would never haver tried that overtake in the same racing circumstances, had the championship depended on getting past Max, stillup the road ahead of Albon.

F1 Racer wrote:
This incident boils down to the simple fact that Albon moved his car laterally across into another car and it is not acceptable.
See above, it doesn't. You would have been correct had Hamilton been ahead at the apex, but even then it might have been judged to be a racing incident if it were clear Albon could not see Hamilton's attempt.

F1 Racer wrote:
People said that what Kimi did to MV on lap 1 in Belgium 2019 was acceptable on lap 1, but would not be acceptable later in the race. Well Albon did exactly what Kimi did.
Wrong again; even though race starts are even more difficult where situational awareness is concerned, if you only look at Räikkönen and Verstappen, Räikkönen was ahead at the apex and therefore had the right to the corner.

The only thing in the whole discussion that we won't understand until the FIA ever gets round to explaining it to us with reference to the rules as published, is the explanation Charlie Whiting gave about such incidents as between Albon and Hamilton. But at least in this case, the stewards and Hamilton were consistent.



There is no such thing as a 'right to the corner' in the rules. You can't just crash into people.


There are a lot of things not mentioned in the rules, like "racing line", "racing etiquette", etc. But still they exist and they do cover these in the briefings sometimes. This specific issue, the corner, has been one of the biggest things in the history of F1, who "has" the corner? So as Fiki said, this was cleared by Whiting a few years ago. If the driver behind has managed to sneak his car on the inside enough, then fair play, if not, they know when they have to concede as the space disappears. In fairness it is not the easiest thing when you have committed to a line into a corner, but they all have the same rules and they know them
And yet, F1 Racer is right in the first part of his post; there is indeed no such thing as a 'right to the corner' in the rules. And that is a very serious shortcoming on the part of those responsible for establishing and publishing them. On that count, I can only agree with him.

What I wrote is what F1 has been using as an unwritten rule, and I would even dispute that Charlie Whiting is supposed to have made it clear. He didn't clarify a rule, as there is no such rule. (By the way, the racing line IS mentioned in the rules, but only once and in relation to something that didn't apply in the case of the Hamilton-Albon accident. Albon never went off the racing line on the approach to the corner in question, and therefore didn't have to leave at least a car's width of space for Hamilton.)
Hamilton clearly knows this, and must have kicked himself for causing an avoidable accident. Senna's "when you no longer go for a gap" was a sad excuse for blind aggression then, and yet is still believed to make sense by some.

Where I do disagree with F1 Racer is in blaming Albon for what happened.

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