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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:34 pm 
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It seems unfathomable that the Hulk could be out of a seat, but I'm now struggling to see where he'll get in.


Wow, why?

It's not like it's Verstappen, Hamilton or Leclerc that can't find a drive here. That would be unfathomable.

The Hulk has been mostly making up the numbers his entire grand prix career, so why is it so hard to understand or comprehend that someone in Hulk's position, with very little cold hard results to show for his long career to date, would be the kind of driver making way for new drivers coming through?

His teammates frequently best him and, while he has never had a podium finish, his teammates have had several over the years. At some point the results needed to come. It's miraculous that he made it this far in some ways. Is he F1 caliber? Sure he is, but he's no longer young and he does not have the resume to guarantee anything. He's neither a guy that you can hire to win you a championship (like Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, etc.) not is he a young driver with a lot of potential. It's like a big game of musical chairs and he just got caught out when the music stopped.


I think he's a top 10 driver on the grid so for us it's a shame to lose him but for him I sort of see this as a good scenario.

If anything implodes at Ferrari or Red Bull he's got a very good chance of that seat. At this point in his career I doubt he has much to gain by spending yet another midfield year at a team like Alfa or Haas so it's worth waiting it out.

If that doesn't come off there's a hell of a lot of fun a millionaire in his early 30s could have in a year off.



No it's not a shame for us to lose him. Even if he is top 10, then he is only just sneaking in there at best in 9th or 10th place, and it's not like F1 has 100 drivers in it and top 10 is in the top 10%. Being 10th best F1 driver means that you are only at the 50th percentile which is nothing worth mentioning.

I doubt he even is 9th or 10th either, I'm just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt about the notion of him being 'top 10', and even with doing so it is not a shame for us to lose a driver that is middle of the road and mundane with no spice or ability to spring a surprise result out of the hat. He's not even that interesting personality-wise, about the only fun thing he did was to get Magnussen to make the 'balls' comment. Hulk is boring and we should be well shot of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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sandman1347 wrote:
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It seems unfathomable that the Hulk could be out of a seat, but I'm now struggling to see where he'll get in.


Wow, why?

It's not like it's Verstappen, Hamilton or Leclerc that can't find a drive here. That would be unfathomable.

The Hulk has been mostly making up the numbers his entire grand prix career, so why is it so hard to understand or comprehend that someone in Hulk's position, with very little cold hard results to show for his long career to date, would be the kind of driver making way for new drivers coming through?

His teammates frequently best him and, while he has never had a podium finish, his teammates have had several over the years. At some point the results needed to come. It's miraculous that he made it this far in some ways. Is he F1 caliber? Sure he is, but he's no longer young and he does not have the resume to guarantee anything. He's neither a guy that you can hire to win you a championship (like Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, etc.) not is he a young driver with a lot of potential. It's like a big game of musical chairs and he just got caught out when the music stopped.



I think that's a pretty unfair assessment to be honest. Hulk had never been outqualified by a teammate until Ricciardo came along. He has put a midfield car on pole, could have won that race in Brazil 2012 had he not collided with Hamilton, could have had a bunch of podiums if it wasn't for bad luck. Some of that luck was due to him, no doubt, but he has shown that he is plenty quick enough, if not slightly too erratic. But the guy is clearly a talented f1 driver. He is better than more than half the grid for sure. Not a first tier driver but his talent combined with his experience should serve a top team well. So to me it's a shame he never got a shot at a top car whereas the likes of Bottas and Massa did. Those two aren't any better than him, and likely are worse. Personally I think he's done enough work in the midfield and should only accept a top drive at this point or find a new series.


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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As per unofficial reports, Hulk is switching over to DTM for 2020. Williams & Alfa Romeo were his only options & neither of them looks realistic. An announcement relating to this should be made on Tuesday. Sad he never achieved the success which he achieved in lower formulae.

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/700595/Reports_Hulkenberg_moving_to_DTM_confirmation_on_Tuesday_after_American_GP/?fbclid=IwAR0ls6UT8vC44ECwX6O0eI05TXyK6xxlHp_ZyIzaJY-y_-7G1DKyBkm1Fvg#.Xb-wyuO19gE.facebook

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Alfa Romeo confirm Giovinazzi for 2020.
https://www.sauber-group.com/motorsport/f1-news/alfa-romeo-racing-and-antonio-giovinazzi-to-continue-together-in-2020/

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Albon (understandably) has been confirmed as Verstappen's team-mate for 2020.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-7676481/Alex-Albon-earns-permanent-Red-Bull-seat-2020-F1-season-impressing.html

Which also brings in Toro Rosso's line-up announcement of Kvyat & Gasly:
https://f1i.com/news/361396-toro-rosso-to-continue-with-gasly-and-kvyat-in-2020.html

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
As per unofficial reports, Hulk is switching over to DTM for 2020. Williams & Alfa Romeo were his only options & neither of them looks realistic. An announcement relating to this should be made on Tuesday. Sad he never achieved the success which he achieved in lower formulae.

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/700595/Reports_Hulkenberg_moving_to_DTM_confirmation_on_Tuesday_after_American_GP/?fbclid=IwAR0ls6UT8vC44ECwX6O0eI05TXyK6xxlHp_ZyIzaJY-y_-7G1DKyBkm1Fvg#.Xb-wyuO19gE.facebook

A top 10 driver but not top tier, Ricciardo seemed to have the beating of him this year, apparently he could have stayed in F1 but somewhat overvalued his worth.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Giovinazzi really needs to be beating Kimi next year, rookie excuses don't last long.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Albon (understandably) has been confirmed as Verstappen's team-mate for 2020.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-7676481/Alex-Albon-earns-permanent-Red-Bull-seat-2020-F1-season-impressing.html

Which also brings in Toro Rosso's line-up announcement of Kvyat & Gasly:
https://f1i.com/news/361396-toro-rosso-to-continue-with-gasly-and-kvyat-in-2020.html

Albon is the best choice for Red Bull, he seems to be mentally stronger than Gasly and Kvyat, also I can see next year being Kvyat's last season in F1 if he can't beat Gasly.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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This also unofficially confirms Hulk is out of F1 in 2020!

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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It kind of relates to 2020 (lineup) so putting this here.

Mercedes & Renault have made an agreement to release Ocon from Mercedes camp & be a part of the Renault team from 2nd December onwards when the 2 days of post-season testing begin.

https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/252465/ocon-to-take-part-in-post-season-abu-dhabi-test-with-renault

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
It kind of relates to 2020 (lineup) so putting this here.

Mercedes & Renault have made an agreement to release Ocon from Mercedes camp & be a part of the Renault team from 2nd December onwards when the 2 days of post-season testing begin.

https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/252465/ocon-to-take-part-in-post-season-abu-dhabi-test-with-renault

I thought that might happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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I was reading on another F1 news site today that Hulkenberg was offered a years extension at Renault but choose not to re-sign as he thought he was heading to Red Bull.

Esteban Ocon has been released after his reserve driver duties after the Abu Dhabi race so that he can test for Renault earlier than planned.

George Russell will instead do the 2020 Pirelli test for Mercedes and that Nicholas Latifi will test for Williams as he could get announced for the Williams drive soon. All 2020 drivers are confirmed apart from the 2nd Williams seat.


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Shame Hulkenberg doesnt wanna do Sim and reserve driver duties next year, there's an opening at Mercedes. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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I was reading on another F1 news site today that Hulkenberg was offered a years extension at Renault but choose not to re-sign as he thought he was heading to Red Bull.

Esteban Ocon has been released after his reserve driver duties after the Abu Dhabi race so that he can test for Renault earlier than planned.

George Russell will instead do the 2020 Pirelli test for Mercedes and that Nicholas Latifi will test for Williams as he could get announced for the Williams drive soon. All 2020 drivers are confirmed apart from the 2nd Williams seat.

I heard differently that the Hulk refused the 1 year contract with Renault because he wanted a 2 year contract.

In regards to Latifi he hasn't got the required amount of F1 super license points yet which is probably delaying the announcement, there is still 1 round to go in F2.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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I was reading on another F1 news site today that Hulkenberg was offered a years extension at Renault but choose not to re-sign as he thought he was heading to Red Bull.

Esteban Ocon has been released after his reserve driver duties after the Abu Dhabi race so that he can test for Renault earlier than planned.

George Russell will instead do the 2020 Pirelli test for Mercedes and that Nicholas Latifi will test for Williams as he could get announced for the Williams drive soon. All 2020 drivers are confirmed apart from the 2nd Williams seat.

I heard differently that the Hulk refused the 1 year contract with Renault because he wanted a 2 year contract.

In regards to Latifi he hasn't got the required amount of F1 super license points yet which is probably delaying the announcement, there is still 1 round to go in F2.


The lowest he can finish in F2 this year is 5th. Add that to his 5th place finish in 2017 and he'll be guaranteed to reach the 40 points required (44, to be precise, with his 9th last year). So it's nothing to do with Latifi potentially not getting a Superlicense.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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I was reading on another F1 news site today that Hulkenberg was offered a years extension at Renault but choose not to re-sign as he thought he was heading to Red Bull.

Esteban Ocon has been released after his reserve driver duties after the Abu Dhabi race so that he can test for Renault earlier than planned.

George Russell will instead do the 2020 Pirelli test for Mercedes and that Nicholas Latifi will test for Williams as he could get announced for the Williams drive soon. All 2020 drivers are confirmed apart from the 2nd Williams seat.

I heard differently that the Hulk refused the 1 year contract with Renault because he wanted a 2 year contract.

In regards to Latifi he hasn't got the required amount of F1 super license points yet which is probably delaying the announcement, there is still 1 round to go in F2.


The lowest he can finish in F2 this year is 5th. Add that to his 5th place finish in 2017 and he'll be guaranteed to reach the 40 points required (44, to be precise, with his 9th last year). So it's nothing to do with Latifi potentially not getting a Superlicense.

I know but officially he still doesn't have a F1 super license, I can't see any other reason for delaying his announcement?

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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I heard differently that the Hulk refused the 1 year contract with Renault because he wanted a 2 year contract.

In regards to Latifi he hasn't got the required amount of F1 super license points yet which is probably delaying the announcement, there is still 1 round to go in F2.


The lowest he can finish in F2 this year is 5th. Add that to his 5th place finish in 2017 and he'll be guaranteed to reach the 40 points required (44, to be precise, with his 9th last year). So it's nothing to do with Latifi potentially not getting a Superlicense.

I know but officially he still doesn't have a F1 super license, I can't see any other reason for delaying his announcement?


I was thinking about this earlier. The only reasons I can come up with are:

1) Williams want to run him in the post season test and then make a decision. This wouldn't make sense because they've run him enough to have a pretty good idea whether they want him or not and, more to the point, there aren't any better options (realistic ones, anyway) available. Unless...
2) Nico Hulkenberg hasn't completely closed the door on them, despite what has been said publicly. Maybe there has been a renewed push from within the team to try and make that deal happen after all?
3) There is something sponsor-related holding up the deal.
4) Williams simply want to wait until the season is over so that when they announce it, there aren't any other F1 stories going on to detract from it.

#1 doesn't make sense, #2 is - let's be honest - very unlikely, so #3 or #4 would seem to be the most logical explanations.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
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I heard differently that the Hulk refused the 1 year contract with Renault because he wanted a 2 year contract.

In regards to Latifi he hasn't got the required amount of F1 super license points yet which is probably delaying the announcement, there is still 1 round to go in F2.


The lowest he can finish in F2 this year is 5th. Add that to his 5th place finish in 2017 and he'll be guaranteed to reach the 40 points required (44, to be precise, with his 9th last year). So it's nothing to do with Latifi potentially not getting a Superlicense.

I know but officially he still doesn't have a F1 super license, I can't see any other reason for delaying his announcement?


I was thinking about this earlier. The only reasons I can come up with are:

1) Williams want to run him in the post season test and then make a decision. This wouldn't make sense because they've run him enough to have a pretty good idea whether they want him or not and, more to the point, there aren't any better options (realistic ones, anyway) available. Unless...
2) Nico Hulkenberg hasn't completely closed the door on them, despite what has been said publicly. Maybe there has been a renewed push from within the team to try and make that deal happen after all?
3) There is something sponsor-related holding up the deal.
4) Williams simply want to wait until the season is over so that when they announce it, there aren't any other F1 stories going on to detract from it.

#1 doesn't make sense, #2 is - let's be honest - very unlikely, so #3 or #4 would seem to be the most logical explanations.

It's interesting that you mention the Hulk because it's something that's slipped my mind, I did hear said that Williams were not overly impressed with Latifi and might consider the Hulk, but that would be a big financial discrepancy turning down Latifi's money and then paying the Hulk, that's not really how they've operated these past few years.

As for the Hulk would that appeal to him, I guess it's a paid drive and more money than what he would get elsewheres but then again he turned down a paid contract at Renault because it was for only 1 year and supposedly he turned down Haas because they didn't offer him enough money.

Maybe that was the Hulk playing hard ball and it went wrong both times, now it's getting so late in the day that it s a take it or nothing situation in F1, does he really want to be out of F1?

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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As per reports, Kubica who was in the fight to become a reserve/test driver for either Haas or Racing Point for 2020, will opt for Racing Point. Along with Kubica, Kubica's sponsor PKN-Orlen will too move ship to Racing Point. Kubica's experience will be utilized in making the car better to help fight in a super tight midfield.
https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/252501/kubica-set-for-racing-point-test-and-reserve-role

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Markelov will compete in F2 next year.













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