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Which driver won each intra-team battle in Mexico?
Poll ended at Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:11 am
Hamilton 12%  12%  [ 18 ]
Bottas 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Vettel 11%  11%  [ 17 ]
Raikkonen 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Ricciardo 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Verstappen 9%  9%  [ 14 ]
Perez 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Ocon 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Stroll 8%  8%  [ 12 ]
Sirotkin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Sainz 5%  5%  [ 8 ]
Hulkenberg 5%  5%  [ 8 ]
Gasly 7%  7%  [ 10 ]
Hartley 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Grosjean 5%  5%  [ 8 ]
Magnussen 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Alonso 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Vandoorne 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Ericsson 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Leclerc 10%  10%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 150
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:11 am 
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The results from Texas are as follows...

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Hamilton 14-4 Bottas (68/32)
Vettel 11-7 Raikkonen (55/45)
Ricciardo 7-11 Verstappen (44/56)
Perez 6-11 Ocon (47/53)
Stroll 12-6 Sirotkin (63/37)
Hulkenberg 9-9 Sainz (55/45)
Gasly 13-5 Hartley (71/29)
Magnussen 11-7 Grosjean (66/34)
Alonso 16-2 Vandoorne (90/10)
Ericsson 6-12 Leclerc (32/68)

- Lewis Hamilton's run of dominance continues as he takes TMW win number ten in the last eleven races. A solitary vote for Bottas prevents him picking up his third 0-vote in the last four races. Other results mean Hamilton's dominance is now only bettered by Alonso's lead over Vandoorne.
- Well what do we have here? Sebastian Vettel's first race receiving 0 votes in 2018! F*cking finally, some might say!
- Max Verstappen becomes the first of three drivers to clinch the TMW season vote in Austin, taking an 11-7 lead and stretching his advantage on the percentage side of things to 56-44. Ricciardo's reliability (or basic lack of any) at recent events hasn't helped him, but it's difficult to argue Max hasn't been driving as well as he has in F1 anyway.
- The second of three drivers to secure the TMW honours for 2018? Esteban Ocon. The Frenchman might be on the sidelines for 2018 (although swapping seats with Stroll remains a possibility) but suffering just three TMW defeats in the last 11 races has enabled him to take victory against Sergio Perez.
- After four races where he was comfortably outvoted, Sergey Sirotkin at least gets a positive result in Texas (although Lance Stroll's driving probably did as much damage to his hopes here as it did to Fernando Alonso's McLaren). But a 12-6 lead (and 63% of the vote) suggests the TMW voters believe that over the course of the season, Stroll has been roughly twice as good as Sirotkin.
- The only TMW vote to remain competitive is that at Renault, and we're once again all tied up. Nico Hulkenberg makes it 9-9 for 2018, and right now has the advantage purely because he's received more votes over the year. They couldn't end 2018 tied, right...?!
- Talking of votes that are tied, Toro Rosso have absolutely nothing to do with that. But Brendon Hartley did at least pick up his 5th TMW win of the season, so there's that. Only one driver has received fewer votes than Hartley's 134 (Vandoorne, obviously).
- The third driver to capture the TMW victory for 2018 is Kevin Magnussen, whose early season form built up enough of an advantage that even Romain Grosjean's stronger recent results haven't been enough. It's now 11-7, along with a still sizeable lead in terms of the percentage.
- STOFFEL. VANDOORNE. WINS! Okay, it took a race where Fernando Alonso got taken out on the first lap, and even then he barely scraped the win (11 votes to 9) but after Fernando Alonso took a record ninth successive TMW victory in Japan, Stoffel Vandoorne finally gets his, um, 2nd TMW win of 2018. Is the comeback on?!
- Another win for Charles Leclerc means that he, like Lance Stroll, has pretty much received double of the vote that Marcus Ericsson has.

TMW winners for 2018: Fernando Alonso; Lewis Hamilton; Pierre Gasly; Sebastian Vettel; Lance Stroll; Charles Leclerc; Max Verstappen; Esteban Ocon; Kevin Magnussen
TMW battles unsettled: Renault, Renault and, er, Renault. At least that one's close!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:15 pm 
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
- STOFFEL. VANDOORNE. WINS! Okay, it took a race where Fernando Alonso got taken out on the first lap, and even then he barely scraped the win (11 votes to 9) but after Fernando Alonso took a record ninth successive TMW victory in Japan, Stoffel Vandoorne finally gets his, um, 2nd TMW win of 2018. Is the comeback on?!

Maybe it is, because he should win this one pretty easily! I didn't like the idea of giving it to him at COTA, but his drive in Mexico was entirely worthy of a victory after Alonso went out.

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Exediron wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
- STOFFEL. VANDOORNE. WINS! Okay, it took a race where Fernando Alonso got taken out on the first lap, and even then he barely scraped the win (11 votes to 9) but after Fernando Alonso took a record ninth successive TMW victory in Japan, Stoffel Vandoorne finally gets his, um, 2nd TMW win of 2018. Is the comeback on?!

Maybe it is, because he should win this one pretty easily! I didn't like the idea of giving it to him at COTA, but his drive in Mexico was entirely worthy of a victory after Alonso went out.


Well, if Alonso gets crashed out/damaged his car in the first lap, he may win some more (despite again being comprehensively beaten in qualifying) ...

(Overdue) good drive by him, nevertheless!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:27 am 
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Somehow, after voting for Stoffel, I feel so UNCLEAN!!!! :uhoh:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:53 am 
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Where is the thread for the Brazil race? Please???

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:14 am 
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Mort Canard wrote:
Where is the thread for the Brazil race? Please???

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:23 pm 
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Stoff should get the hat-trick anyway.

He's finishing the season pretty decent tbf to him.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:48 pm 
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Lotus49 wrote:
Stoff should get the hat-trick anyway.

He's finishing the season pretty decent tbf to him.

I personally think Alonso is looking like he has no interest at all and is hardly trying. After the team make a mistake which actually lost him 10 seconds, he came out 27 seconds behind Vandoorne on lap 18. Vandoorne pitted soon after lap 30. He was on much fresher tyres and didn't have the delay in the pits. Alonso didn't look to try very hard to defend Vandoorne from what I remember. And it looked like alonso just didn't care about anyone. He didn't look to be trying and had no respect for the drivers in the lead of the race. I think Alonso has been underperforming quite a lot recently. But he's still outqualified Vandoorne 25 out of the last 25 qualifying sessions. That to me just shows how bad Vandoorne is. Once or twice, I think a not so good driver would beat a great driver. I don't think Alonso is a good as he used to but Vandoorne still hasn't managed to out qualify him in ages. The races are a similar story but at least once or twice he has looked better.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Lotus49 wrote:
Stoff should get the hat-trick anyway.

He's finishing the season pretty decent tbf to him.

I personally think Alonso is looking like he has no interest at all and is hardly trying. After the team make a mistake which actually lost him 10 seconds, he came out 27 seconds behind Vandoorne on lap 18. Vandoorne pitted soon after lap 30. He was on much fresher tyres and didn't have the delay in the pits. Alonso didn't look to try very hard to defend Vandoorne from what I remember. And it looked like alonso just didn't care about anyone. He didn't look to be trying and had no respect for the drivers in the lead of the race. I think Alonso has been underperforming quite a lot recently. But he's still outqualified Vandoorne 25 out of the last 25 qualifying sessions. That to me just shows how bad Vandoorne is. Once or twice, I think a not so good driver would beat a great driver. I don't think Alonso is a good as he used to but Vandoorne still hasn't managed to out qualify him in ages. The races are a similar story but at least once or twice he has looked better.


Hard to judge Alonso's form recently. He didn't make it past turn 1 in the US or Mexico.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Lotus49 wrote:
Stoff should get the hat-trick anyway.

He's finishing the season pretty decent tbf to him.

I personally think Alonso is looking like he has no interest at all and is hardly trying. After the team make a mistake which actually lost him 10 seconds, he came out 27 seconds behind Vandoorne on lap 18. Vandoorne pitted soon after lap 30. He was on much fresher tyres and didn't have the delay in the pits. Alonso didn't look to try very hard to defend Vandoorne from what I remember. And it looked like alonso just didn't care about anyone. He didn't look to be trying and had no respect for the drivers in the lead of the race. I think Alonso has been underperforming quite a lot recently. But he's still outqualified Vandoorne 25 out of the last 25 qualifying sessions. That to me just shows how bad Vandoorne is. Once or twice, I think a not so good driver would beat a great driver. I don't think Alonso is a good as he used to but Vandoorne still hasn't managed to out qualify him in ages. The races are a similar story but at least once or twice he has looked better.


Hard to judge Alonso's form recently. He didn't make it past turn 1 in the US or Mexico.

Yes, i guess that is the point. And the previous race too. But in that case, all these saying Vandoorne has started to look better, was Alonso there to compare? Not really. I do however think Alonso chose to give up trying in Brazil though after the teams mistake. So I don't think Vandoorne will have beaten him in any of the last 3 races if it wasn't for Alonso's luck or attitude.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Lotus49 wrote:
Stoff should get the hat-trick anyway.

He's finishing the season pretty decent tbf to him.

I personally think Alonso is looking like he has no interest at all and is hardly trying. After the team make a mistake which actually lost him 10 seconds, he came out 27 seconds behind Vandoorne on lap 18. Vandoorne pitted soon after lap 30. He was on much fresher tyres and didn't have the delay in the pits. Alonso didn't look to try very hard to defend Vandoorne from what I remember. And it looked like alonso just didn't care about anyone. He didn't look to be trying and had no respect for the drivers in the lead of the race. I think Alonso has been underperforming quite a lot recently. But he's still outqualified Vandoorne 25 out of the last 25 qualifying sessions. That to me just shows how bad Vandoorne is. Once or twice, I think a not so good driver would beat a great driver. I don't think Alonso is a good as he used to but Vandoorne still hasn't managed to out qualify him in ages. The races are a similar story but at least once or twice he has looked better.


Vandoorne actually had to pass him twice, because Alonso fought back the first time. So I would not say that Alonso did not care or any such thing. He definitely fought to keep that position. But if Alonso did not have any delay in his pit stop Vandoorne would not have finished in front of him. Pretty sure about that one.

I see the Alonso Vandoorne matchup as one of the strangest in F1. Last year it appeared Vandoorne was closer to Alonso, and this year he actually is even further behind. It doesn't make any sense, as you would expect Vandoorne to close the gap this year, like just about every rookie does in their second year. I somewhat feel that that teammate battle may have not been the fairest out there, as in it wasn't always on equal terms. I don't have any thing to back that up though, but it's just a hunch. Would have loved to have seen Vandoorne against another driver. I still can't believe that someone that good in the junior series can look this bad in F1.


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