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Which records will Hamilton break?
Poll ended at Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:54 pm
World Titles 10%  10%  [ 14 ]
Race Wins 16%  16%  [ 22 ]
Fastest Laps 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Podiums 17%  17%  [ 24 ]
Laps Led 7%  7%  [ 10 ]
KMs Led 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Hat Tricks 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Wins/Podiums in Consecutive Years 10%  10%  [ 14 ]
Wins at an Individual Grand Prix/Circuit 11%  11%  [ 16 ]
Consecutive Podiums 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Consecutive Wins 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Consecutive Poles 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Grand Slams 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
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MistaVega23 wrote:
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Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Very impressive no matter how people word it.

Years driving for a title capable wining team = 8. Really impressive to win the title 6 times out of 8 times, losing out to a team mate Nico once and to Kimi in his first season of F1. Considering Michael Schumacher had more years in a title winning capable car losing out to Hill, JV, Mika and Alonso.

In fact, looking back. It would be Michael Vs (insert other driver/team). Now it's Lewis Vs (insert other driver/team).

Really does go to show how special Michael/Lewis are and we should appreciate the times.

Any reason you've omitted 2010 and 2012?

I know it's difficult to compare eras (which I don't), but just like Michael he is able to take on all newcomers and beat them; Schumacher took on Prost, Senna, Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Montoya, Kimi and Alonso. Over the last 13 seasons we've had Lewis vs. Alonso, Kimi, Massa, Button, Vettel, Rosberg and now Verstappen and Leclerc over the next few seasons. I don't doubt that he will have the measure of them even if the new regs closes the field up. Lewis just has that extra 1% that will get him ahead 9 times out of 10.



2010 was possible for sure, if he drove perfect but 2012 was not possible with the reliability and pit wall he had. He drove nearly perfectly and missed the WDC by over 100 points.


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KingVoid wrote:
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Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Let's be real, Ferrari with an ounce of competence could have won the WCC in 18 and maybe 17


And at what point was I not being "real"? I

Care to point anything false in my post?

Maybe he's trying to point out that without Hamilton in the car some of these double titles would probably not have not been won?

That’s true, but then again, the same could be said about Ferrari’s dominance in the 2000s. Barrichello finished 4th in 2000 and 2003, and in 2000 he finished behind both McLaren drivers. Schumacher made the difference just like Hamilton did in 2017 and 2018. That’s what great drivers do.

Fair enough but no one was actually challenging the merit of Schumacher's titles.

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6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

I would venture Red Bull did 4/5, the 2009 car was WDC capable.

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Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

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pokerman wrote:
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6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

I would venture Red Bull did 4/5, the 2009 car was WDC capable.


I think you've misunderstood what is being said.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

I would venture Red Bull did 4/5, the 2009 car was WDC capable.


I think you've misunderstood what is being said.

Possibly with the Ferrari 6/5?

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Covalent wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

Ferrari would have done it if Schumacher had not broke his leg in 1999 so Ferrari had such a capable car, but then that's down to the driver also to execute, there was room for failure also on Mercedes' part, this thinking seems to be putting 100% credit to the car itself?

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pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

Ferrari would have done it if Schumacher had not broke his leg in 1999 so Ferrari had such a capable car, but then that's down to the driver also to execute, there was room for failure also on Mercedes' part, this thinking seems to be putting 100% credit to the car itself?

Not that unusual would imply several precedents, so far zero such precedents presented though.

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Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

Ferrari would have done it if Schumacher had not broke his leg in 1999 so Ferrari had such a capable car, but then that's down to the driver also to execute, there was room for failure also on Mercedes' part, this thinking seems to be putting 100% credit to the car itself?

Not that unusual would imply several precedents, so far zero such precedents presented though.

Like I said only if you're looking to give 100% credit to the Mercedes car and ignoring the contribution of Hamilton, clearly Ferrari had also such a capable car 1999-2004.

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Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

Ferrari would have done it if Schumacher had not broke his leg in 1999 so Ferrari had such a capable car, but then that's down to the driver also to execute, there was room for failure also on Mercedes' part, this thinking seems to be putting 100% credit to the car itself?

Not that unusual would imply several precedents, so far zero such precedents presented though.


It’s one more than what was achieved just 14 years ago and 2 more that what was achieved just 6 years ago was my point. Is there a huge difference between 6/5 and 6/6 not really to me, maybe to you.

The more impressive statistic to me is Ferrari having a driver win or take the WDC to the final round in every year 1997-2008 bar 2005. 12 seasons, 11 times having a driver win or be able to win the title in the final race, that was over 4 or 5 different rule sets too.

Maybe using the word unusual wasn’t the best, but it’s not that unexpected considering similar happened twice already in the last 15 years.


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Johnson wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Johnson wrote:
6 consecutive WDC/WCC titles sure is impressive but its not that unusual.

In the last 20 years. Red Bull did 4/4, Mercedes have done 6/6 and Ferrari did 6/5. In fact it’s pretty normal for teams to dominant for long periods. 16 of the last 21 years have been part of domination...

The exceptions are Alonso and Renault who themselves did 2/2 consecutively and Buttons and Kimis single years titles and Hamiltons 2008 WDC.

2007-2009 aside every WDC/WCC has been part of domination period this millennium...

If it's not that unusual you should be able to find at least one example other than Mercedes who have achieved it?

Ferrari would have done it if Schumacher had not broke his leg in 1999 so Ferrari had such a capable car, but then that's down to the driver also to execute, there was room for failure also on Mercedes' part, this thinking seems to be putting 100% credit to the car itself?

Not that unusual would imply several precedents, so far zero such precedents presented though.


It’s one more than what was achieved just 14 years ago and 2 more that what was achieved just 6 years ago was my point. Is there a huge difference between 6/5 and 6/6 not really to me, maybe to you.

The more impressive statistic to me is Ferrari having a driver win or take the WDC to the final round in every year 1997-2008 bar 2005. 12 seasons, 11 times having a driver win or be able to win the title in the final race, that was over 4 or 5 different rule sets too.

So my understanding of the Ferrari 6/5 was correct and then relating to the Red Bull 5/4, indeed this idea of a car being able to win 6 titles in a row as being without precedence is clearly not true, just the actual achievement.

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KingVoid wrote:
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Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Let's be real, Ferrari with an ounce of competence could have won the WCC in 18 and maybe 17


And at what point was I not being "real"? I

Care to point anything false in my post?

Maybe he's trying to point out that without Hamilton in the car some of these double titles would probably not have not been won?

That’s true, but then again, the same could be said about Ferrari’s dominance in the 2000s. Barrichello finished 4th in 2000 and 2003, and in 2000 he finished behind both McLaren drivers. Schumacher made the difference just like Hamilton did in 2017 and 2018. That’s what great drivers do.


Bottas did come 3rd and 5th in 17 and 18.

The key difference is Barrchello did not get the same car as Schumacher in at least terms of build quality. Bottas has had 2 mechanical failures over 2017-2019. Hamilton has had 1. The same ball park.

Barrichello also crashed out a lot more than Bottas.

Schumacher had 4 mechanical DNFs over his title run 2000-2004. Barrichello had 11. Mid 2001-2004 Schumacher didn’t have a single mechanical DNF setting the record for most races without one.

Barrichello had a total of 19 DNFs over those 5 years. Bottas has had 4 in 3 seasons.


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Let's be honest now Ferrari would have done 6 if Schumacher didn't break his leg.

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Teddy007 wrote:
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Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Very impressive no matter how people word it.

Years driving for a title capable wining team = 8. Really impressive to win the title 6 times out of 8 times, losing out to a team mate Nico once and to Kimi in his first season of F1. Considering Michael Schumacher had more years in a title winning capable car losing out to Hill, JV, Mika and Alonso.

In fact, looking back. It would be Michael Vs (insert other driver/team). Now it's Lewis Vs (insert other driver/team).

Really does go to show how special Michael/Lewis are and we should appreciate the times.

On what planet was the 1996 Ferrari was a WDC capable car?

Even including the 1997 and 1998 Ferrari is quite questionable, because you didn’t even include the 2010 McLaren.


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KingVoid wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
Blake wrote:
Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Very impressive no matter how people word it.

Years driving for a title capable wining team = 8. Really impressive to win the title 6 times out of 8 times, losing out to a team mate Nico once and to Kimi in his first season of F1. Considering Michael Schumacher had more years in a title winning capable car losing out to Hill, JV, Mika and Alonso.

In fact, looking back. It would be Michael Vs (insert other driver/team). Now it's Lewis Vs (insert other driver/team).

Really does go to show how special Michael/Lewis are and we should appreciate the times.

On what planet was the 1996 Ferrari was a WDC capable car?

Even including the 1997 and 1998 Ferrari is quite questionable, because you didn’t even include the 2010 McLaren.


Yes. There's no way the 97 Ferrari would be talked about as potential championship challenger with anyone else behind the wheel.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
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Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Very impressive no matter how people word it.

Years driving for a title capable wining team = 8. Really impressive to win the title 6 times out of 8 times, losing out to a team mate Nico once and to Kimi in his first season of F1. Considering Michael Schumacher had more years in a title winning capable car losing out to Hill, JV, Mika and Alonso.

In fact, looking back. It would be Michael Vs (insert other driver/team). Now it's Lewis Vs (insert other driver/team).

Really does go to show how special Michael/Lewis are and we should appreciate the times.

On what planet was the 1996 Ferrari was a WDC capable car?

Even including the 1997 and 1998 Ferrari is quite questionable, because you didn’t even include the 2010 McLaren.


Yes. There's no way the 97 Ferrari would be talked about as potential championship challenger with anyone else behind the wheel.


The 97 Ferrari was pretty handy towards the end of the season. Eddie Irvine may well have been on course to win in Suzuka that year had he not had to completely abandon his own race to hold up Villeneuve.

That said, over the course of the year the Williams was quite a long way better of course. Certainly the 1999 Ferrari was world title worthy.


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1997 wasn’t so impossible, people seem to forget JV’s DNF rate.

6 DNFs in total in a 16 race championship, including 5 DNFs in the first 10 races that gave Schumacher a championship lead.

JV completely messed up another 2 races with 5ths. So he scored 4 points in half the races that year.

Schumacher had a total of 4 DNFs, 3 from collisions, it was winnable if he drove a bit more calculated. JV had a shocking year.


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1997 wasn’t so impossible, people seem to forget JV’s DNF rate.

6 DNFs in total in a 16 race championship, including 5 DNFs in the first 10 races that gave Schumacher a championship lead.

JV completely messed up another 2 races with 5ths. So he scored 4 points in half the races that year.

Schumacher had a total of 4 DNFs, 3 from collisions, it was winnable if he drove a bit more calculated. JV had a shocking year.


Oh I'm not denying that. I don't think any driver would have had the speed to take a championship on other than Schumacher though. I don't think it was faster than the Williams, Mclaren or even the Prost. I'd say the Jordan was often quicker as well. 1997 was a very odd season.


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BMWSauber84 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
Blake wrote:
Consecutive years driving for a double championship team: 6

Pretty remarkable record in itself.


Very impressive no matter how people word it.

Years driving for a title capable wining team = 8. Really impressive to win the title 6 times out of 8 times, losing out to a team mate Nico once and to Kimi in his first season of F1. Considering Michael Schumacher had more years in a title winning capable car losing out to Hill, JV, Mika and Alonso.

In fact, looking back. It would be Michael Vs (insert other driver/team). Now it's Lewis Vs (insert other driver/team).


Really does go to show how special Michael/Lewis are and we should appreciate the times.

On what planet was the 1996 Ferrari was a WDC capable car?

Even including the 1997 and 1998 Ferrari is quite questionable, because you didn’t even include the 2010 McLaren.


Yes. There's no way the 97 Ferrari would be talked about as potential championship challenger with anyone else behind the wheel.


The 97 Ferrari was pretty handy towards the end of the season. Eddie Irvine may well have been on course to win in Suzuka that year had he not had to completely abandon his own race to hold up Villeneuve.

That said, over the course of the year the Williams was quite a long way better of course. Certainly the 1999 Ferrari was world title worthy.


Villeneuve was deliberately holding up the whole field in Suzuka. Hence why Irvine was allowed to get past and looked so quick.


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Johnson wrote:
1997 wasn’t so impossible, people seem to forget JV’s DNF rate.

6 DNFs in total in a 16 race championship, including 5 DNFs in the first 10 races that gave Schumacher a championship lead.

JV completely messed up another 2 races with 5ths. So he scored 4 points in half the races that year.

Schumacher had a total of 4 DNFs, 3 from collisions, it was winnable if he drove a bit more calculated. JV had a shocking year.

Everything you wrote about Schumacher’s 1997 could be said about Hamilton’s 2010, so I question why 1997 was included but not 2010.


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Johnson wrote:
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Let's be real, Ferrari with an ounce of competence could have won the WCC in 18 and maybe 17


And at what point was I not being "real"? I

Care to point anything false in my post?

Maybe he's trying to point out that without Hamilton in the car some of these double titles would probably not have not been won?

That’s true, but then again, the same could be said about Ferrari’s dominance in the 2000s. Barrichello finished 4th in 2000 and 2003, and in 2000 he finished behind both McLaren drivers. Schumacher made the difference just like Hamilton did in 2017 and 2018. That’s what great drivers do.


Bottas did come 3rd and 5th in 17 and 18.

The key difference is Barrchello did not get the same car as Schumacher in at least terms of build quality. Bottas has had 2 mechanical failures over 2017-2019. Hamilton has had 1. The same ball park.

Barrichello also crashed out a lot more than Bottas.

Schumacher had 4 mechanical DNFs over his title run 2000-2004. Barrichello had 11. Mid 2001-2004 Schumacher didn’t have a single mechanical DNF setting the record for most races without one.

Barrichello had a total of 19 DNFs over those 5 years. Bottas has had 4 in 3 seasons.

Even if you account for DNFs, Barrichello was slower than Coulthard in 2000 on average (in both qualy and race pace). He was also slower than Montoya in 2003.

When you take into account that Montoya then lost to Raikkonen at McLaren quite convincingly, it shines a different light onto the 2003 season.

I truly believe that Schumacher would have made both the 2000 McLaren and 2003 Williams look like the best car.


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KingVoid wrote:
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1997 wasn’t so impossible, people seem to forget JV’s DNF rate.

6 DNFs in total in a 16 race championship, including 5 DNFs in the first 10 races that gave Schumacher a championship lead.

JV completely messed up another 2 races with 5ths. So he scored 4 points in half the races that year.

Schumacher had a total of 4 DNFs, 3 from collisions, it was winnable if he drove a bit more calculated. JV had a shocking year.

Everything you wrote about Schumacher’s 1997 could be said about Hamilton’s 2010, so I question why 1997 was included but not 2010.


Firstly, I did not make a list that didn’t include 2010 and actually responded to it and said 2010 should be on it...

However, going into the title decider in 1997 Schumacher had had 3 less DNFs than JV. Hamilton had one more DNF than Vettel in 2010, more than Webber and Alonso.

JV gave Schumacher an opportunity to win the title by having so many DNFs, that was not the case in 2010. Hamilton also needed 3 drivers to mess up / have more mistakes than him to sneak the 2010 title. Schumacher just one who basically scored no points in 50% of the races and gave him that opportunity.


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Those are some very misleading statistics.

Vettel was by far the unluckiest driver of 2010 and lost 3 wins in Bahrain, Australia and Korea alone due to mechanical problems. With Webber’s reliability, Vettel would have won 2010 with several races to spare.

If Hamilton had just settled for a safe 4th place in Monza and Singapore, he wins the WDC.


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I’m sure Schumacher would have. The 2003 Williams pretty much looked the best best car anyway. 2000 was very close and Schumacher was better than Häkkinen so yes.

However Schumacher was below par in 2003 himself. Barrichello was quite close to Michael in 2003 though and it’s definitely Schumachers weakest title. 93-65 in points with Michael having 1 DNF to Rubens’ 5. Rubens outright thrashed him in 3-4 weekends that year too. If Barrichello had had everything align he might have won the title that year himself, I.e. a bulletproof car like Schumacher and avoided an incident or two.


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Those are some very misleading statistics.

Vettel was by far the unluckiest driver of 2010 and lost 3 wins in Bahrain, Australia and Korea alone due to mechanical problems. With Webber’s reliability, Vettel would have won 2010 with several races to spare.

If Hamilton had just settled for a safe 4th place in Monza and Singapore, he wins the WDC
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Not really so as the final race would not have played out like that tactically if Hamilton led the WDC and that is huge hindsight which can be applied to all the top 4. Alonso doesn’t jump the start in China... Webber doesn’t spin in Korea etc etc.

What is misleading about the statistics? Indeed, Vettel should have easily won the title with races to spare. The 2010 Red Bull was more dominant than this years Mercedes.
I never suggested Hamilton was the unluckiest of the title challenges. Hamilton had an outside chance to win the title but all things equal he was 4th favourite. Which means 3 drivers need to drop the ball which is much more unlikely than just one.

Schumacher just needed JV to blow it in 1997 and he did. Schumacher was favourite to win the title for most of the year and lead it for most of the year too. Schumacher still drove amazingly in 1997 as did Hamilton in 2010.


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1997 and 1999 are similar. Irvine was able to fight for the title because he had 1 DNF whilst Häkkinen had 5.
Häkkinens 1999 and JV’s 1997 have a lot of parallels. To the extent that HHF was in contention with 3 races to go in 1999.


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actually on reflection I'd be surprised if he took Fastest Laps (schu on 77 and Hamilton on 46) and consequently hat-tricks (22-14) . Grand Slams is a possibility but that's Clark on 8 to Hamiltons 5. Surprised that one isn't Schu's but I how do tyres/refuelling affect that one? Surely you've less chance of getting one if you are racing in an era with more pit-stops?

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KingVoid wrote:
Those are some very misleading statistics.

Vettel was by far the unluckiest driver of 2010 and lost 3 wins in Bahrain, Australia and Korea alone due to mechanical problems. With Webber’s reliability, Vettel would have won 2010 with several races to spare.

If Hamilton had just settled for a safe 4th place in Monza and Singapore, he wins the WDC.

Hamilton may have had the WDC lead but it was a slender lead and he didn't have the fastest car, in the second half of the season it fell slightly behind the Ferrari for second best car.

Vettel winning in spite of losing 3 wins is an indictment of which was the fastest car and it should be to Hamilton's credit that he held the lead half way through the season, and I believe in some corners he got driver of the year having made less mistakes than Vettel and Alonso.

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actually on reflection I'd be surprised if he took Fastest Laps (schu on 77 and Hamilton on 46) and consequently hat-tricks (22-14) . Grand Slams is a possibility but that's Clark on 8 to Hamiltons 5. Surprised that one isn't Schu's but I how do tyres/refuelling affect that one? Surely you've less chance of getting one if you are racing in an era with more pit-stops?

Fastest laps are not important, there was a time when the fastest driver/car got fastest lap but that's not been the case for several years now.

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