-ZeroGravityToilet- wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
There were a few clips last year from the official briefings, do we still get these? It would be very interesting to watch
Showing those should be a point of honour for the FIA!
Yes, I agree. I loved the ones from last year, or the iconic ones from Suzuka '90 where Senna was blasting the FIA!!
I don't particularly see that one as very significant. At least not for Senna's viewpoint, or Piquet's for that matter. Although it did show the difficulty the FIA had in imposing its authority.
-ZeroGravityToilet- wrote:
Badgeronimous wrote:
Vettel has now went beyond the point where playing the percentage game matters. He had to get past there and pressure the Mercs.
Collision was Vettels fault but he was carrying a lot more speed and the door was wide open. However 4/5 times that pass doesn't work out.
I doubt Vettel would have tried that if he was still close in the championship, it seemed very much a last throw of dice.
Even as a last throw of dice it was a poor decision. Could have attempted it way more safely a couple of corners down the track, in the same lap!
Hell, he could have taken two-three laps to do it and still lose only a couple of seconds overall...
Even after seeing it so many times, I still don't see how Vettel could be seen as having caused the accident. It is Max making contact.
Also, what makes you think Max would quietly have accepted an attempted pass a couple of corners down the track? He was defending going into Spoon; if it really would be impossible to pass, he should simply have let Vettel overshoot and switch back. I think it is significant he never claimed the didn't see Vettel coming.
Taking it easy and sitting behind Max until he was ready to give in, Vettel would still have been taking life out of his tyres, with zero return.
I can't see it as just Verstappen. I think both have shown, repeatedly, a very egotistical lack of awareness and sense of entitlement. And that this has caused the accident, both sharing responsibility.
Regarding the issue of whether Verstappen would quietly accept being passed, I have no idea if he would, but I fail to see how Vettel could have made the opposite assessment either (ie, that there wouldn't have been a better moment). In fact, if he saw a certain possibility at a pass in such a difficult corner, it would stand to reason that he could probably find a better place at some other point in the track, or a moment where he could be closer to Max's car...
On your second point, I would say that if an oppotunity arises, as it did here, Vettel didn't have a choice. He had to get past Hamilton. An in order to do that, he had to make use of the opportunity offered by Max's lack of speed and use what was left of his first set of tyres to get close to, or past, Bottas.
I don't understand your first point. Entitlement didn't cause the accident. Neither did lack of awareness brought on by an egotistical disposition.
As far as I can tell, the stewards didn't accuse Vettel of not being able to make the corner. And as far as I can tell from his on-board footage, Vettel didn't understeer into the Red Bull, or "drop off the kerbs" if you will. So what mistake has Vettel made? The stewards don't tell us.
From Max's on-board, I see that he is defending (he keeps closer to the middle of the track than the optimum racing line). Why, if you can't overtake in that difficult corner? And why turn in further, if you obviously know there is a car alongside, that is already up on the kerbs to give you room? I take it the stewards must have seen this too. So why say it was a racing incident? I would instantly believe that if Max had been surprised. But he wasn't, as he was actively defending.
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