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Am hoping for another exciting race at Hungary. In the past, this track has delivered great races.

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I think this is one of the longest runs to turn 1 so that could be interesting tomorrow if Ferrari get their usual good start.


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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


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chetan_rao wrote:
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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.

Judging by today, I think Mercedes will be hoping for rain. Certainly Hamilton will.

I think the strt is key here and there might be a collision into T1. It will be intense, that much is certain.


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All the sites and apps I'm checking have warm, dry weather for tomorrow.


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All the sites and apps I'm checking have warm, dry weather for tomorrow.


Advantage Ferrari then!

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UnlikeUday wrote:
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All the sites and apps I'm checking have warm, dry weather for tomorrow.


Advantage Ferrari then!


I'm not so sure about that.

Track position's so important at Hungary and Merc locked out the front row.

I'd actually have Merc as the favourites at the moment

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Race pace won't mean much without track position and/or a strategy advantage. See Hungary 2017.


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Do you want to start on the Ultras tomorrow if you're Hamilton or do you want to risk using the Softs and hoping you don't lose track position? I have to imagine that he'll go with the Ultras but that opens up opportunities for the guys behind him to try some things strategically. Tires will be fascinating tomorrow.


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Do you want to start on the Ultras tomorrow if you're Hamilton or do you want to risk using the Softs and hoping you don't lose track position? I have to imagine that he'll go with the Ultras but that opens up opportunities for the guys behind him to try some things strategically. Tires will be fascinating tomorrow.


In the dry, if it's as warm as it's been all weekend (track temps were hovering around 50°C in practice), Merc may struggle for longevity on the Ultrasofts, esp. if someone's chasing close behind. Being forced to make an extra stop would be worse than getting passed on track.

Ferrari could/should put at least one car on softs, do a long stint and hope for rain later on.


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chetan_rao wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


I think it's 31 races now since Kimi gained a position on the first lap.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


I think it's 31 races now since Kimi gained a position on the first lap.


I don't think he will gain positions necessarily, but given where Vettel is starting, Kimi getting a run on the Merc's on the long approach to T1 could force either or both Mercs to cover him, opening the window for Vettel to pounce.

Ferrari aren't winning this on race pace alone, they'll have to try stuff and tag-team this a bit. If Merc get a clean run to T1 and a good first stint, I'd bet on them to win barring exceptional circumstances.


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chetan_rao wrote:
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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


I think it's 31 races now since Kimi gained a position on the first lap.


I don't think he will gain positions necessarily, but given where Vettel is starting, Kimi getting a run on the Merc's on the long approach to T1 could force either or both Mercs to cover him, opening the window for Vettel to pounce.

Ferrari aren't winning this on race pace alone, they'll have to try stuff and tag-team this a bit. If Merc get a clean run to T1 and a good first stint, I'd bet on them to win barring exceptional circumstances.


Ferrari have the faster car this weekend in the dry. An undercut at the right time would give them a chance.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


I think it's 31 races now since Kimi gained a position on the first lap.


I don't think he will gain positions necessarily, but given where Vettel is starting, Kimi getting a run on the Merc's on the long approach to T1 could force either or both Mercs to cover him, opening the window for Vettel to pounce.

Ferrari aren't winning this on race pace alone, they'll have to try stuff and tag-team this a bit. If Merc get a clean run to T1 and a good first stint, I'd bet on them to win barring exceptional circumstances.


Ferrari have the faster car this weekend in the dry. An undercut at the right time would give them a chance.

They absolutely have to overtake Bottas at the start though. If the order remains Hamilton-Bottas-Ferrari, then the race is over.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
chetan_rao wrote:
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If it's a dry start tomorrow, Merc need to nail the start to lead into T1.


They'll be fine, they've got Kimi as a buffer.


Kimi's perfectly capable of a good start himself, and if Ferrari jump at least one Merc off the start, they could split strategies and push Merc's hand.

A good chance of rain too, so tomorrow should be intriguing either way.


I think it's 31 races now since Kimi gained a position on the first lap.

While technically that statistic still stands, lately Kimi has had some really good starts and has challenged the cars ahead, which I expect tomorrow as well. Both Ferraris actually.

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@mikey: I'd agree there. The start and/or a well-timed undercut are their best chances in regular play.


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I think Kimi has the license to go for it, nothing to loose. Anyways it is highly unlikely he is going to finish ahead of Vettel. So if it is going to be dry and he can have a good start like Austria it is worth a risk of getting ahead of Mercedes or hope he can have at least a car between him and Vettel. I do not think Vettel can take too many risk

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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.


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I see nearly all top teams starting tomorrow on Soft, why wouldn't you? You could argue, Vettel could start on US to just simply try something different and maybe catch a lucky VSC/SC by being out of sync to everybody else. Its doubtful he can take the lead from P4. Starting on softs is a no brainer on a high degradation circuit.

Mercedes best chance to win the race (if they have a slower race car) is Hamilton leading Bottas at the end of lap 1 and Bottas slowing the field by 0.4 a lap for the first stint to prevent anybody undercutting Lewis.


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They absolutely have to overtake Bottas at the start though. If the order remains Hamilton-Bottas-Ferrari, then the race is over.

If the order remains Hamilton-Bottas-Ferrari at the end of the first lap it will be decided by an overcut or an undercut attempt. In such a situation Merc will have to be spot on with strategy to avoid losing like this.


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Mercedes should win, bottas is not allowed to over take hamilton, so as long as hamilton makes it out of turn one in the lead with bottas behind holding up the big reds, easy win.


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I think the Merc will go down side by side to prevent the Ferrari's from getting past.


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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


He should be ok. He's got a buffer behind him of Sainz and Gasly and once the race is up an running I don't see Verstappen passing him on track. Remember this is the Hungaroring.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
Clarky wrote:
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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


He should be ok. He's got a buffer behind him of Sainz and Gasly and once the race is up an running I don't see Verstappen passing him on track. Remember this is the Hungaroring.

I was talking about the launch at the start.


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Clarky wrote:
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Clarky wrote:
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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


He should be ok. He's got a buffer behind him of Sainz and Gasly and once the race is up an running I don't see Verstappen passing him on track. Remember this is the Hungaroring.

I was talking about the launch at the start.


Not much of an issue. Gasly will let him through and I doubt Sainz would be able to put up much of a fight even if he wanted to.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


He should be ok. He's got a buffer behind him of Sainz and Gasly and once the race is up an running I don't see Verstappen passing him on track. Remember this is the Hungaroring.


It’s really not the track itself as it’s more how aero effects the cars. Don’t wanna have the whole regs need changing debate (which they do) but I just want to point out that the circuit itself can produce an amazing race if the cars were more suited to follow each other. If you watch today’s F2 race both Norris & de vries we’re passing guys left and right all over the track. Even coming out of the chicane in sector 2. This race could be a plethora of excitement with the right cars.

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Mayhem wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Clarky wrote:
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Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

If Vettel goes on the soft tyre and all around him are on the ultra's he will lose positions from sheer grip alone.


He should be ok. He's got a buffer behind him of Sainz and Gasly and once the race is up an running I don't see Verstappen passing him on track. Remember this is the Hungaroring.


It’s really not the track itself as it’s more how aero effects the cars. Don’t wanna have the whole regs need changing debate (which they do) but I just want to point out that the circuit itself can produce an amazing race if the cars were more suited to follow each other. If you watch today’s F2 race both Norris & de vries we’re passing guys left and right all over the track. Even coming out of the chicane in sector 2. This race could be a plethora of excitement with the right cars.


I completely agree and I thin this track gets a really unfair rep but with the current regulations it is one of the harder ones to pass on.


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Chance of rain looks about zilch judging by the weather in the F2 race

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Pit stop strategy as per Pirelli:

- Quickest strategy (in hot and dry conditions) is a one-stopper. Start on ultrasoft for 22 laps, then medium to the end.

- Nearly as quick: start on soft for 27 laps and then medium to the end OR ultrasoft for 22 laps then soft to end

- A two-stopper (with higher ultrasoft degradation) could work as follows: two stints of 16 laps on ultrasoft, followed by a final stint on soft to the end. The pit stop window for ultrasoft is from laps 18-26 (assuming similar conditions to FP2 on Friday)

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Fresh tyres left with each driver:

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Stroll will probably start from the pitlane because of a wing change.


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The provisional grid:

1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:35.658
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.26s
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.528s
4 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.552s
5 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.085s
6 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 1.933s
7 Max Verstappen Red Bull 2.374s
8 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 2.47s
9 Kevin Magnussen Haas 4.2s
10 Romain Grosjean Haas 4.935s
11 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:35.214
12 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:36.442
13 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:36.506
14 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:37.075
15 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:18.782
16 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1:18.817
17 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:19.142
18 Sergio Perez Force India 1:19.200
19 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1:19.301
20 Lance Stroll Williams*

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Interesting to see how the Ferrari starts the race, the drivers put their finger on a button then release it which is quicker than pulling a paddle.

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Time for the race day Pinkham Report

Today Nat is looking vibrant as usual in a black, single strap number with white spots and red flowers.**

Hair is styled in a straight, shoulder length cut.

She's wearing a delightful little gold "W" chain around here neck, perhaps in honour of her children Wilfred & Willow.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Pit stop strategy as per Pirelli:

- Quickest strategy (in hot and dry conditions) is a one-stopper. Start on ultrasoft for 22 laps, then medium to the end.

- Nearly as quick: start on soft for 27 laps and then medium to the end OR ultrasoft for 22 laps then soft to end

- A two-stopper (with higher ultrasoft degradation) could work as follows: two stints of 16 laps on ultrasoft, followed by a final stint on soft to the end. The pit stop window for ultrasoft is from laps 18-26 (assuming similar conditions to FP2 on Friday)


I would see the most favored strategy as Soft tires for about the first 40 laps and then Ultrasofts to the end when the car is lighter.


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