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Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
1. Lewis Hamilton 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
3. Sebastian Vettel 9%  9%  [ 13 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 18%  18%  [ 27 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
6. Max Verstappen 25%  25%  [ 38 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
9. Sergey Sirotkin 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
10. Lance Stroll 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 18%  18%  [ 27 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 14%  14%  [ 22 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
20. Charles Leclerc 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 152
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Herb wrote:
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Apparently McLaren ran out of front wings so Alonso was using one from last year that they didn't know how to set up with the car.

Still gets 8th from the pit lane. :lol:


Well, last year's car was a beast! 8)

Grosjean, Alonso & Verstappen I think.


:lol:

I think they might need to ship a few more parts from last year unless they can fix those wings in a week. Stoff broke 4 and Alonso 1. 8O

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Zoue wrote:
he got overtaken long before his tyres were a problem. What does him not crashing into other cars have to do with it? :?


You could see the blisters already.

Hamilton got a great start and was leading comfortably. The race turned because of a bad strategy call and a mechanical failure - not his fault.

He got overtaken - so did Vettel, Kimi and Alonso. Doesn’t mean those guys are not worthy of a mention.

Very strange how you find it “hilarious” that someone voted for Hamilton. Not like he was the worst driver today.

But hey, Vettel got voted DOTD last week after having a shocker. Didn’t see you comment on that one


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he got overtaken long before his tyres were a problem. What does him not crashing into other cars have to do with it? :?


You could see the blisters already.

Hamilton got a great start and was leading comfortably. The race turned because of a bad strategy call and a mechanical failure - not his fault.

He got overtaken - so did Vettel, Kimi and Alonso. Doesn’t mean those guys are not worthy of a mention.

Very strange how you find it “hilarious” that someone voted for Hamilton. Not like he was the worst driver today.

But hey, Vettel got voted DOTD last week after having a shocker. Didn’t see you comment on that one

He was pretty poor today and did nothing of note that would find him remotely worthy of DotD. He fell asleep for a few laps and got caught napping by Vettel. and didn't do anything before or after that would merit a vote. It's clear that whoever voted for him would have done so simply for turning up on the grid, which is a shame as it distorts the result. I didn't vote for Vettel as DotD last week, so unclear what your point is. But I think I know now who caste that vote at least


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He was pretty poor today and did nothing of note that would find him remotely worthy of DotD. He fell asleep for a few laps and got caught napping by Vettel.


As I said, his tyres were finished. Same as Ricciardo when he got passed by Kimi.

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and didn't do anything before or after that would merit a vote.


Before that he took the lead of the race and was comfortably controlling the pace.

I’m not saying he should necessarily have been driver of the day, I’m just interested why you think it’s hilarious that anyone would vote for him. Like I said - it’s not like he was the worst driver out there today and his troubles were brought about by strategy and mechanical failures.

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It's clear that whoever voted for him would have done so simply for turning up on the grid, which is a shame as it distorts the result. I didn't vote for Vettel as DotD last week, so unclear what your point is. But I think I know now who caste that vote at least
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Please do tell us who made that “hilarious” vote.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:05 pm 
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I have no problem with Verstappen, but why vote for Kimi, or Vettel ?

Kimi made a mess of the start and on two subsequent turns went off, but didn't lose any time as he ran along outside the track limits and joined in the position he went off.

Vettel - no real pluses, or minuses - so why vote for him as DOTD ?

People vote for their favourites, rather than objectively.

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davidheath461 wrote:
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He was pretty poor today and did nothing of note that would find him remotely worthy of DotD. He fell asleep for a few laps and got caught napping by Vettel.


As I said, his tyres were finished. Same as Ricciardo when he got passed by Kimi.

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and didn't do anything before or after that would merit a vote.


Before that he took the lead of the race and was comfortably controlling the pace.

I’m not saying he should necessarily have been driver of the day, I’m just interested why you think it’s hilarious that anyone would vote for him. Like I said - it’s not like he was the worst driver out there today and his troubles were brought about by strategy and mechanical failures.

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It's clear that whoever voted for him would have done so simply for turning up on the grid, which is a shame as it distorts the result. I didn't vote for Vettel as DotD last week, so unclear what your point is. But I think I know now who caste that vote at least


Please do tell us who made that “hilarious” vote.

I reiterate, he was quite poor, pretty much from the moment he changed his tyres - how many were worse, exactly? His tyres were not finished when Vettel took him - he was just caught napping. He did nothing that would merit a vote by any objective measure and it's clear any votes cast are for the person rather than the drive, which is not the point of the poll.

I've been very critical of Kimi votes in the past, for exactly the same reason. Funny how you don't feel the need to get up in arms about that.


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His problems were as a result of poor strategy and mechanical failure. His tyres were blistering when Vettel passed him.

Please try and actually read this!


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Greenman wrote:
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I have no problem with Verstappen, but why vote for Kimi, or Vettel ?

Kimi made a mess of the start and on two subsequent turns went off, but didn't lose any time as he ran along outside the track limits and joined in the position he went off.

Vettel - no real pluses, or minuses - so why vote for him as DOTD ?

People vote for their favourites, rather than objectively.

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BIB I agree with and it's somewhat frustrating that people don't even try to apply a little objectivity.

But as to the rest: I agree that Kimi had a pretty ropey start, but I can see the argument that he somewhat made up for it by a pretty decent drive after that. And I don't think passing Hamilton is easy under any circumstances, so I can see why Vettel would get a vote, even though I don't think either driver really deserved DotD. And even though I voted for Verstappen, I can also see an argument against him by virtue of the fact he played Mario Kart in getting past Kimi at the start. But he did well at the end to hold off a hard charging Kimi when his left rear was clearly going.

None of the above are dead certs but I can see the logic for them, as I can with Alonso who also went very well. But some drivers simply didn't do anything that would warrant a vote and it's clear that their actual driving played no part in the decision


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davidheath461 wrote:
His problems were as a result of poor strategy and mechanical failure. His tyres were blistering when Vettel passed him.

Please try and actually read this!

getting dumped into the pack was a result of poor strategy, agreed. But what happened immediately after that was down to him. No matter how many times you claim it, getting passed by Vettel wasn't down to his tyres. He started to speed up again and close the gap shortly after that. He was just caught napping and for a good while was extremely lacklustre


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I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.


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davidheath461 wrote:
I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.

and then he sped up again, which doesn't really corroborate that, does it?


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Zoue wrote:
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I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.

and then he sped up again, which doesn't really corroborate that, does it?


Around the time of being passed by Vettel he was told by his engineer he needed to cool his tyres then have another go. It's obvious he was already struggling when Vettel passed by. Still a great move by Vettel, I think he caught him unawares when Hamilton couldn't quite respond.

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Herb wrote:
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I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.

and then he sped up again, which doesn't really corroborate that, does it?


Around the time of being passed by Vettel he was told by his engineer he needed to cool his tyres then have another go. It's obvious he was already struggling when Vettel passed by. Still a great move by Vettel, I think he caught him unawares when Hamilton couldn't quite respond.


Been a weird week for Seb, some costly mistakes but he's mugged off his 2 biggest rivals in back to back races.

At least Lewis didn't spin when he got caught with his pants down though to be fair.

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Max for the win.

Kimi for pushing Max throughout the race and not giving up to Sebastian.

Romain for finally producing the kind of results that he and the Haas are capable of.

Honorable mention to Lewis and Valtteri for keeping the lead past the point where these races usually become set in stone. Doomed this week by bad mechanical luck and poor team strategy and a race track where passing was in fact very possible. Not that I am complaining about all the passing.


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Vettel, just for the execution of that pass and who was on the receiving end.

Textbook pass and block.


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Verstappen for me. Absolutely excellent.

Vettel made a great overtake, but Max was the man this weekend.


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davidheath461 wrote:
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he got overtaken long before his tyres were a problem. What does him not crashing into other cars have to do with it? :?


You could see the blisters already.

Hamilton got a great start and was leading comfortably. The race turned because of a bad strategy call and a mechanical failure - not his fault.

He got overtaken - so did Vettel, Kimi and Alonso. Doesn’t mean those guys are not worthy of a mention.

Very strange how you find it “hilarious” that someone voted for Hamilton. Not like he was the worst driver today.

But hey, Vettel got voted DOTD last week after having a shocker. Didn’t see you comment on that one


Guess we know who voted for Lewis then...

You say the blisters caused Hamilton to be passed by Vettel. Ok, maybe. But what caused the blisters? Maybe Lewis losing the plot after his botched strategy and driving in a manner not good for the left rear? Did everyone have tyre problems?

Hamilton didn't do anything worthy of DOTD, in fact he was schooled.


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Both title favourites did untypically mediocre (by their standards) in this race.After losing his lead due to the strategy blunder by his team, Hamilton seemed so focused on complaining that his driving became uncharacteristically lacklustre. And Vettel - as well uncharacteristically - never looked to have the race pace for Räikkönen. Not the finest day for either, despite Hamilton's dominant driving before the VSC and despite Vettel's fine overtake.


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Both title favourites did untypically mediocre (by their standards) in this race.After losing his lead due to the strategy blunder by his team, Hamilton seemed so focused on complaining that his driving became uncharacteristically lacklustre. And Vettel - as well uncharacteristically - never looked to have the race pace for Räikkönen. Not the finest day for either, despite Hamilton's dominant driving before the VSC and despite Vettel's fine overtake.


You can't make this up equating Vettel's and Hamilton's race it must take some serious mental gymnastics.


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I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion.

Voted for Max (he needed this), Kimi (if he only made that move stick) and Grosjean.


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Rockie wrote:
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Both title favourites did untypically mediocre (by their standards) in this race.After losing his lead due to the strategy blunder by his team, Hamilton seemed so focused on complaining that his driving became uncharacteristically lacklustre. And Vettel - as well uncharacteristically - never looked to have the race pace for Räikkönen. Not the finest day for either, despite Hamilton's dominant driving before the VSC and despite Vettel's fine overtake.


You can't make this up equating Vettel's and Hamilton's race it must take some serious mental gymnastics.


So, what exactly are you objecting to? Do you seriously think Vettel had a better race pace than Räikkönen (like he usually has)? It is really no stretch to see that Vettel did not have one of his better races in Austria overall – despite the fine overtaking.


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I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion.

Voted for Max (he needed this), Kimi (if he only made that move stick) and Grosjean.


I think it’s possible for a driver to be DOTD without finishing, but they would have to do something quite special.

Certainly none of the non-finishers in Austria deserve a vote.


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oz_karter wrote:
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I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion.

Voted for Max (he needed this), Kimi (if he only made that move stick) and Grosjean.


I think it’s possible for a driver to be DOTD without finishing, but they would have to do something quite special.

Certainly none of the non-finishers in Austria deserve a vote.

I agree they can without finishing, it depends at what point of the race and why they retired.
If a driver started last, did a superb charge through the field to be leading after the final pit stops then their engine went boom stopping the win they would clearly deserve it. Would you take that away because they didn't finish?


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Siao7 wrote:
I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion

Why does it not matter how well they drove? That's the entirety of what we're voting on, after all. It's not about the points they received, since we don't always give it to the winner: it's who drove the best.

If Max's engine had coughed and failed in the middle of the back straight on the final lap, would he have lost everything he did to get to that point? Self-inflicted DNFs are different, and I agree that they undue everything the driver did, but no-fault mechanical DNFs I think shouldn't take someone out of the running.

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Don't quite get the votes for Leclerc on this occasion. It seems his previous performances and hype are triggering some. Good qualifying, but not in the race. Don't think I would vote for his team mate either but he certainly did better on race day. This was a slight advantage as he pitted during the time that he couldn't go flat out. He started ahead of his team mate, but messed that up by loosing many places. Admittedly, at this stage, he still did look quicker than Ericsson as he caught up and got by. He then took the advantage of pitting under the VSC. Sauber for some reason didn't do this on Ericsson. Ericsson stayed out and didn't gain that same advantage. Leclerc of course did have to do a longer run on his set of tyres, but Ericsson was much faster towards the end. My view on the team orders would have been that if they used them, they should have done 3 or 4 laps sooner. Then Ericsson almost certainly will have had Alonso. I feel they wasted a point or two here. And it also seems a little unfair that Ericsson had to give that place back. just before Leclerc let him by, he was driving within half a second in several places anyway. The chances of him getting past at some point without team orders was surely very high?

Wasn't a bad race for Leclerc but Ericsson has shown to be at least decent again. Just wondering why Leclerc has any really. The points finish for Sauber was pretty lucky and lets take into consideration they are not that slow any more.


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oz_karter wrote:

Guess we know who voted for Lewis then...


who? :?:

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You say the blisters caused Hamilton to be passed by Vettel. Ok, maybe. But what caused the blisters? Maybe Lewis losing the plot after his botched strategy and driving in a manner not good for the left rear? Did everyone have tyre problems?


or maybe the Mercedes did not like the high temperatures which caused his rear tyres to overheat? Who knows. It's not necessarily "Hamilton losing the plot". Ricciardo also had tyre troubles. The Ferrari's certainly had the least troubles.

Let me ask you this - do you think Vettel destroying his front tyres at Barcelona was his fault? or was it due to the car characteristics?


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Zoue wrote:
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I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.

and then he sped up again, which doesn't really corroborate that, does it?


Yes, Hamilton must have been orchestrating his team radio messages in order to pre-emptively come up with an excuse for Vettel passing him... :uhoh:

Perhaps you should consider changing your mind when the facts are staring you in the face and proving you wrong.


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Raikkonen was even slower than Vettel in Spain before his car failed so it’s likely that it was just a Ferrari problem.

Hamilton’s supersoft tyres in his first stint lasted better than his soft tyres did in his second stint, so the second stint was more likely a Hamilton problem than a Mercedes problem.

Right after Hamilton pitted, he attacked Raikkonen right away instead of biding his time. Raikkonen has DRS from Ricciardo at the time so it would have been much wiser if Lewis just saved his tyres and waited for the right moment.

It’s not a coincidence that the drivers who attacked on their tyres right away were forced to stop again. Ricciardo and Verstappen have the same car, one of them destroyed his tyres while the other made it to the end and won.


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KingVoid wrote:
Raikkonen was even slower than Vettel in Spain before his car failed so it’s likely that it was just a Ferrari problem.


Kimi made his tyres last longer though.

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Hamilton’s supersoft tyres in his first stint lasted better than his soft tyres did in his second stint, so the second stint was more likely a Hamilton problem than a Mercedes problem.


That's some strange reasoning. Why do you think it was a Hamilton problem, and not Mercedes having a problem with the softs?

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Right after Hamilton pitted, he attacked Raikkonen right away instead of biding his time. Raikkonen has DRS from Ricciardo at the time so it would have been much wiser if Lewis just saved his tyres and waited for the right moment.


Dirty air has nothing to do with it. Kimi spent a significant number of laps stuck behind Ricciardo, yet his tyres were in great shape at the end. Austria is a rear limited track anyway and all tyre problems came from the rears overheating, not the front of the car washing out because of dirty air.

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It’s not a coincidence that the drivers who attacked on their tyres right away were forced to stop again. Ricciardo and Verstappen have the same car, one of them destroyed his tyres while the other made it to the end and won.


See what i wrote about Kimi above.

There's no real way to know if the tyre troubles were a Hamilton problem or a Mercedes problem since we wern't able to see how Bottas performed on the softs.


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Verstappen had - very visibly - strong blistering as well, albeit later. The Ferrari appeared to be the only frontrunner car able to deal with the yellow tyres (however x-ish-soft they are called :lol: ). Unfortunately, Ferrari did not have the drivers to win the race.


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Verstappen had - very visibly - strong blistering as well, albeit later. The Ferrari appeared to be the only frontrunner car able to deal with the yellow tyres (however x-ish-soft they are called :lol: ). Unfortunately, Ferrari did not have the drivers to win the race.


:lol:

Whatever you say...

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Blake wrote:
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Verstappen had - very visibly - strong blistering as well, albeit later. The Ferrari appeared to be the only frontrunner car able to deal with the yellow tyres (however x-ish-soft they are called :lol: ). Unfortunately, Ferrari did not have the drivers to win the race.


:lol:

Whatever you say...


How could anyone deny it? If Kimi doesn't balls up turn 3 on the opening lap he probably goes on to win the race.


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I’ve read the team radio transcript. Bono already told Lewis that his tears were overheating before Vettel passed him.

Immediately after Vettel passed him, Lewis said his tyres were finished.

and then he sped up again, which doesn't really corroborate that, does it?


Yes, Hamilton must have been orchestrating his team radio messages in order to pre-emptively come up with an excuse for Vettel passing him... :uhoh:

Perhaps you should consider changing your mind when the facts are staring you in the face and proving you wrong.

I will do when you give a fact that contradicts what I say. You should maybe practice what you preach?

Hamilton matched Vettel’s pace for a number of laps after Vettel passed him. That is a fact. So he wasn’t going slower because of his tyres


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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Both title favourites did untypically mediocre (by their standards) in this race.After losing his lead due to the strategy blunder by his team, Hamilton seemed so focused on complaining that his driving became uncharacteristically lacklustre. And Vettel - as well uncharacteristically - never looked to have the race pace for Räikkönen. Not the finest day for either, despite Hamilton's dominant driving before the VSC and despite Vettel's fine overtake.


I think he had arguably better race pace than Kimi, albeit by a small margin. He consistently cut the margin from about 6-7 secs after the pit stop, down to 1.5 by the end. And had to go through Lewis too in the meantime


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Exediron wrote:
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I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion

Why does it not matter how well they drove? That's the entirety of what we're voting on, after all. It's not about the points they received, since we don't always give it to the winner: it's who drove the best.

If Max's engine had coughed and failed in the middle of the back straight on the final lap, would he have lost everything he did to get to that point? Self-inflicted DNFs are different, and I agree that they undue everything the driver did, but no-fault mechanical DNFs I think shouldn't take someone out of the running.


Ok, I was perhaps not very clear. It does matter obviously when and how a driver comes out of a race. If a car has a mechanical failure or gets taken out in the last laps (or near the end of a race, it's not an exact science), while the driver had an exceptional race up until that point, then of course I'd consider it in my vote. If it is in the opening laps, then I am afraid I don't have enough evidence.

But it is also another reason that I am reluctant to vote for drivers that didn't go the distance; we do not know with certainty what would happen. If in the last few laps Bottas (an example only) wouldn't bodge an overtake and hit someone or go off track and lose a place? This is F1 and things happen up until the last lap. Vettel had a faultless drive in Canada in '11 up until the last lap... I guess I'm covering for the unknowns.

Anyway, this is how I chose to vote, I need to be sure that a driver had a great GP overall.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:35 am 
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dompclarke wrote:
oz_karter wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I can't vote for drivers that didn't finish the race. There is no point, doesn't matter how good they drove, if they didn't finish then it's a moot point in my opinion.

Voted for Max (he needed this), Kimi (if he only made that move stick) and Grosjean.


I think it’s possible for a driver to be DOTD without finishing, but they would have to do something quite special.

Certainly none of the non-finishers in Austria deserve a vote.

I agree they can without finishing, it depends at what point of the race and why they retired.
If a driver started last, did a superb charge through the field to be leading after the final pit stops then their engine went boom stopping the win they would clearly deserve it. Would you take that away because they didn't finish?


I agree with both of you, I explained it better to the other post! Or tried to


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:40 pm 
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So Autosport rated Hamilton as an 8, and Vettel as a 7.

Again, not sure why people thought it was "hilarious" that anyone would vote Hamilton as DOTD.


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So Autosport rated Hamilton as an 8, and Vettel as a 7.


For the weekend or for the race?

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davidheath461 wrote:
So Autosport rated Hamilton as an 8, and Vettel as a 7.

Again, not sure why people thought it was "hilarious" that anyone would vote Hamilton as DOTD.

Clearly it's sore point with you. Hamilton did nothing to warrant it, that's why.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Just reporting facts to you Zoue. No need to attack the messenger ;)

Clearly the writers at autosport thought he did something to warrant an 8, so maybe you should accept that someone has a different opinion to you? 8)


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