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This team will finish 4th in 2018:
Renault 48%  48%  [ 12 ]
McLaren 40%  40%  [ 10 ]
Force India 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Toro Rosso 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Haas 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:12 pm 
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For the past 2 years, Force India reigned supreme to be best of the rest (4th) in the WCC. This year the picture isn't rosy for them as Renault & McLaren have made vast improvements & Haas has been surprisingly quick. The midfield battle is so tightly contested that all teams to the last one have scored points.

Current Standing in the midfield:
Renault - 46
McLaren - 40
Force India - 26
Toro Rosso - 19
Haas - 19

After Abu Dhabi which team would be the proud one to claim best of the rest? It surely will be interesting to keep a close eye on the many battles of the midfield as every track would see a different midfield team being strong.

Not included Sauber & Williams in the poll as I don't see them being in the upper midfield bunch.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
For the past 2 years, Force India reigned supreme to be best of the rest (4th) in the WCC. This year the picture isn't rosy for them as Renault & McLaren have made vast improvements & Haas has been surprisingly quick. The midfield battle is so tightly contested that all teams to the last one have scored points.

Current Standing in the midfield:
Renault - 46
McLaren - 40
Force India - 26
Toro Rosso - 19
Haas - 19

After Abu Dhabi which team would be the proud one to claim best of the rest? It surely will be interesting to keep a close eye on the many battles of the midfield as every track would see a different midfield team being strong.

Not included Sauber & Williams in the poll as I don't see them being in the upper midfield bunch.


Haas have the 4th best car but Renault will finish 4th in the WDC.

STR should probably be up there as well but don't have the drivers to capatilise. We saw what the STR could do in Bahrain where Gasly is a specialist. Alonso may just scrape 7th in the WDC. It will probably be between him and Hulk. I think FI's car is bring flattered by the drivers somewhat. Both Perez and Ocon are in the F1 drivers nightmare of a slower than expected car and an underrated or unproven team mate.

Williams would probably be in that midfield with better drivers.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:07 pm 
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McLaren will become..... 4th IMO.... Alonso has been consistent all season except for Monaco... His team mate will pick up the pace as well and score valuable points.

Renault/Force India.....5th/6th....Cannot split these teams up, both are very close. Both teams have great drivers .

The rest will battle it out!......

Last Williams :( Too much friction inside the team. Inexperienced drivers.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:24 pm 
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McLaren will become..... 4th IMO.... Alonso has been consistent all season except for Monaco... His team mate will pick up the pace as well and score valuable points.

Alonso was consistent in Monaco too, it's just his engine that wasn't. He was on course to finish about 7th, which is quite consistent with his season to date.

I'd say Haas has the 4th best car, but they're being let down by at least one of their drivers. Renault probably has the 5th best car, and two drivers who can score: McLaren has a very close car to Renault, and potentially the better drivers. I'm going to give McLaren the edge.

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Renault does not have the best driver or P/U or chasis, but they have the best pair of drivers of the teams listed.

Alonso is the best driver among the lot but Vandoorne cant provide support.

I would agree with those who said that Haas has the best of the rest car.

Clearly the Renault P/U is not up to even the customer Ferrari and Mercedes power units.

Both McLaren and Haas have very good chassis packages, but it is hard to tell if they are really that much superior to Renault, Force India, or Torro Rosso.

In the end I give the nod to Renault because of Hulkenberg and Sainz Jr.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:52 am 
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I think that given Mclaren case, they are focusing on getting among the top 3. Really, I don't know if they will succeed.

What I do know is that you have to be a bit radical to get among them. If that will work, great.

If not, they might just finish lower than than 4. I think it's a case of taking a risky approach.

They would definitelly finish 4th if this would be their focus. I don't think this is the case at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:34 am 
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McLaren because of Alonso IMO, they need some success the sooner the better.
Haas is perhaps the best car off the rest but Grosjean is making a mess off it


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:39 pm 
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Even though McLaren & Renault look strong & have a bigger budget, I'm sure Force India would give them a good fight for 4th. Eihter in Canada or max by France, they'll be upgrading to the new front wing which should bring a good amount of front downforce to their car.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/force-india-set-to-race-new-front-wing-1044831/

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:53 pm 
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I think FI is out of their depth this year against a rejuvenated Renault/McLaren - except for the power tracks (Monza/Spa/Canada and maybe Silverstone), I don't see them being able to beat any of these other two teams on performance alone. The lucky Baku podium is the sole reason they're even in this conversation - they've performed worse than Toro Rosso overall IMO, in spite of having much better drivers.

I voted for Renault as their driver *pairing* is the strongest (I don't think Hulkenberg is far behind Alonso, but both him and Sainz are evidently streets ahead of Vandoorne).

EDIT: Haas has the strongest car currently, but I doubt they'll finish higher than 6th (likely 7th) because (a) they will be out-developed through the course of the season, and (b) their drivers are Grosjean and Magnussen.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:23 pm 
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McLaren because Alonso.

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McLaren because Alonso.


But he drives only one car, not both of them ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:35 pm 
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Renault, because McLaren isn't capable enough.


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I think the Renault looks to be the better car than the McLaren at the moment, but I see this position being swapped almost every race. Alonso's basically keeping McLaren in the hunt all on his own and Vandoorne needs to start scoring more if McLaren stand any chance of staying ahead. My heart says McLaren but my head says Renault. Voted for McLaren on the basis that their recent upgrades may allow Vandoorne to get in the hunt


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:49 am 
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I most seriously doubt the McLaren/Alonso reasoning for 4th place. It's more between Renault and FI. I voted Renault, but FI, if they drivers keep it clean, will become 4th.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:03 am 
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
I most seriously doubt the McLaren/Alonso reasoning for 4th place. It's more between Renault and FI. I voted Renault, but FI, if they drivers keep it clean, will become 4th.

yeah, nothing's a dead cert, that's for sure. But if you look at it, FI haven't exactly set the world alight so far, either. They've had a single fortuitous podium which has accounted for more than half their points tally, and they are still well behind McLaren, let alone Renault, so I think they're more likely to be battling TR for 6th than troubling the Renault teams.

But I can see an argument for Renault being favourite, absolutely.


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Lt. Drebin wrote:
I most seriously doubt the McLaren/Alonso reasoning for 4th place. It's more between Renault and FI. I voted Renault, but FI, if they drivers keep it clean, will become 4th.

I also think McLaren are most likely to improve from now on (which they will need to do).
Alonso is a big factor because he has kept them in touch more or less on his own so far, despite (imo) them having a car that has mostly been some way off best of the rest at most tracks. Excepting things beyond his control he seems to be able to consistently wring the maximum amount of points from a race, while others in this battle seem to very much run hot and cold. That is a powerful asset when the difference between 5-6th and 11-12th is so small.

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McLaren because Alonso.


Hulkenberg and Sainz Jr. will score more points than Alonso by himself.

Stoffel Vandoorne doesn't add enough value to make up the difference.


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Yeah I think Renault will get it. Mclaren has only Alonso while Renault has Hulk and Sainz. These 2 cars are close enough at the moment and I don't think Mclaren will improve enough over the year to distance themselves from the midfield. Force India's car is just not good enough this year. TR's car is lacking and they have driver issues too. Haas are getting thrashed in the development race and I don't trust the 2 knuckle heads they have at the helm.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:24 pm 
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If Grosjean didn't have the awful fortune, Haas would run away with it.

McLaren is trash getting bailed out by an all-time great driving talent.


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I voted Renault

Ask me again in a couple of months


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