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One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!

Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/238955/honda-tipped-to-make-40hp-step-in-canada

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About those stats... how can traction be a 5 while asphalt grip is 1?

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UnlikeUday wrote:

The tyre choices for the first 6 races were made before winter testing, the tyre choice for Mercedes in Canada very much reflects that the car works better on the harder tyres.

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One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!

Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/238955/honda-tipped-to-make-40hp-step-in-canada

That should interest Red Bull.

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Got a feeling this is a Ferrari weekend.


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Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.

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Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.

My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?

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Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.

My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?


Might aswell not bother bringing the tyres then.

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Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.

My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?


Might aswell not bother bringing the tyres then.

Well I would think they still will be the best tyre for them in Q3?

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But isn't this is a Hamilton track, if not a Mercedes one? Hamilton should reign supreme with Red Bull struggling & behind Ferrari.

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3rd DRS has been added at the track:

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But isn't this is a Hamilton track, if not a Mercedes one? Hamilton should reign supreme with Red Bull struggling & behind Ferrari.


I agree! :)


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Looks like Ricciardo's race is run before we've even turned a wheel

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties

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pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!

Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/238955/honda-tipped-to-make-40hp-step-in-canada

That should interest Red Bull.

Let's see if it works first. I can remember plenty of supposed Honda updates that made little if any tangible difference in the past...

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About those stats... how can traction be a 5 while asphalt grip is 1?


I assume it's two different things being measured like traction being more of a track description of what is important here while asphalt grip is just measuring asphalt grip if you see what I mean.

Slow corners and straights so it's a high traction dependent circuit (5)
Low asphalt grip (1)

I dunno if I'm explaining myself very well here but it's why McLaren are expecting a nightmare,great mechanical grip and straightline speed are key here and they have neither.

STR will pummel them here if Bahrain was any indicator.

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Exediron wrote:
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UnlikeUday wrote:
One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!

Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/238955/honda-tipped-to-make-40hp-step-in-canada

That should interest Red Bull.

Let's see if it works first. I can remember plenty of supposed Honda updates that made little if any tangible difference in the past...


Quite. A 40bhp upgrade would be the biggest in season upgrade anyone's brought in the entire turbo era.

Not happening.

Renault have done them a favour by not bringing their own full upgrade so Honda are likely going to gain on them and perhaps even level it up even with a 10-20bhp upgrade (which would still match their biggest ever in season upgrade last year) so the Red Bull switch could be all go soon enough anyway but they ain't bringing 40bhp.

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Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.

May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.

He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.

Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.

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Lotus49 wrote:
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About those stats... how can traction be a 5 while asphalt grip is 1?


I assume it's two different things being measured like traction being more of a track description of what is important here while asphalt grip is just measuring asphalt grip if you see what I mean.

Slow corners and straights so it's a high traction dependent circuit (5)
Low asphalt grip (1)

I dunno if I'm explaining myself very well here but it's why McLaren are expecting a nightmare,great mechanical grip and straightline speed are key here and they have neither.

STR will pummel them here if Bahrain was any indicator.


Yes, I think you are correct. Traction is extremely important here.

And that's the reason why I think Ferrari will be quickest here. They have better traction than Merc and their straight line speed has been better most of this year. But Merc should give them a tough time in the race, and Redbull too.


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Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

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I'm thinking this will be a Mercedes 1-2. Both Bottas and Hamilton usually have been strong in Canada. Admittedly, Bottas wasn't last year. But the fact is, he's got a podium here 3 years in a row. And if it wasn't for his issues in 2014 which I saw somebody mention on this forum, it will have been very likely that he will have been on the podium there too. If he keeps up his form this year, I think him and Hamilton should be able to lock out the front row in qualifying and the race. Hopefully Bottas won't have more bad luck. Red Bull will certainly be slower here I think. Ferrari may be a threat in the race, but if Bottas is ahead and on a similar strategy, I think Vettel and Raikonnen would really struggle to get past. Bottas is good at defending. But I am thinking it is pretty likely for Hamilton to get pole and win this race.


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Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

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It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.

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Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.

May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.

He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.

Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.

Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
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Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

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It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.

One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
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Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.


It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.

One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.

From my own viewpoint yes Bottas has been unlucky but it's going to be hard for him to close the gap to Hamilton when I see Hamilton beating Bottas in the races at a ratio of 2:1.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
Lojik wrote:
Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

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It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.

One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.


Hamiltons just playing the pr game. Ricciardo has had one dnf due to reliability, one due to mad max and then Monaco happened which he was lucky to have at a track which is impossible to overtake on, now more penalties and you can't win the title with this many problems. He would be up there with Vettel though if the car was more reliable.

Bottas has been good this year but he doesn't have the extra gear to win a championship against equal cars and a faster team mate.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
Lojik wrote:
Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11395071/canadian-gp-daniel-ricciardo-to-be-hit-with-grid-penalties

F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.


It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.

One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.


Hamiltons just playing the pr game. Ricciardo has had one dnf due to reliability, one due to mad max and then Monaco happened which he was lucky to have at a track which is impossible to overtake on, now more penalties and you can't win the title with this many problems. He would be up there with Vettel though if the car was more reliable.

Bottas has been good this year but he doesn't have the extra gear to win a championship against equal cars and a faster team mate.

I am also doubting that Bottas will win it this year. But I still think that Bottas and Ricciardo have basically missed out on the same level of points due to their retirements. And in my opinion, Ricciardo has to take some responsibility for Baku as I explained in another thread.

It is a shame that Bottas looks to be as far behind Hamilton than he is. It looks massive, but would actually only be around 15 behind if not for Baku. Last year, at this stage after Monaco, if Bottas hadn't retired in Spian, he would have been at a similar distance behind Hamilton. About 15 again. But this year, given how much more competitive the teams are, I think he's done better over the last 6 races than at any long stage over last year. If Hamilton was to suffer some bad luck this year and Mercedes get back to being overall the best, I wouldn't totally rule Bottas out of having a small chance even if it is unlikely.


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Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.

May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.

He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.

Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.

Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.


Sorry, I was meaning Renault works team as an alternative to McLaren but they've got a similar budget and infrastructure as McLaren so unless they double their investment, buy a full chassis dyno etc..it's not going to be a much more of an attractive option title wise.

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Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.

May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.

He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.

Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.

Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.


Sorry, I was meaning Renault works team as an alternative to McLaren but they've got a similar budget and infrastructure as McLaren so unless they double their investment, buy a full chassis dyno etc..it's not going to be a much more of an attractive option title wise.

Yeah you can only see that as being a step sidewards

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Mercedes & its customer teams (Force India & Williams) will receive new engines for the weekend. There could be a few engine upgrades to boost power. Anyway, Hamilton is mega here & fresh engines will make him unbeatable.

https://formulaspy.com/formula-1/formula-1-news/mercedes-customers-to-receive-scheduled-second-power-units-in-canada-54247

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Last year when Mercedes got new engines, it soon went wrong for Bottas and he had to switch back to the old one, which as it happened blew up. Hopefully they both will be fine this time. If it is clearly an upgrade, then I think I'm even more certain that Mercedes will be 1-2 in qualifying and the race. But will find out.


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What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.


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What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.


Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.

Red Bull are not opting for the Renault upgrade as Red Bull will be trialing the Honda engine. Decision time for Red Bull for nearing & they need to give a final answer.

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What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.


Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.

Red Bull are not opting for the Renault upgrade as Red Bull will be trialing the Honda engine. Decision time for Red Bull for nearing & they need to give a final answer.


How are Red Bull trialling the Honda engine instead of getting the Renault upgrade? Surely a translation issue here as you can't just plug in another engine to trial?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:41 pm 
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Invade wrote:
What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.


All bringing an upgrade, rumoured numbers never come to fruition though. Renault have shelved part of their upgrade, the almost mythical 2016 Renault in house MGU-K still can't make the required reliability distance so most of the alleged 4ths upgrade got shelved again so just an ICE upgrade said to be worth a tenth by Newey which is at least a realistic number from a good source.

Mercedes are rumoured to have new steel pistons but no confirmation and I've not seen any rumoured gains. Ferrari rumoured 2-3ths but don't know much about it.

STR have a big chassis upgrade as well and last time they brought one to a traction limited track they were clear 4th best so they're the ones to watch for me in the midfield when you add it to Honda's upgrade.

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Lotus49 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Invade wrote:
What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.


Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.

Red Bull are not opting for the Renault upgrade as Red Bull will be trialing the Honda engine. Decision time for Red Bull for nearing & they need to give a final answer.


How are Red Bull trialling the Honda engine instead of getting the Renault upgrade? Surely a translation issue here as you can't just plug in another engine to trial?


I meant Red Bull will be conducting a Honda & Renault comparison.
http://www.f1i.com/news/305630-red-bull-conduct-renault-honda-engine-compare-canada.html

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So redbull and Adrian Newy say the new Renault engine is worth a tenth. Is that in qualifying?
While Renault think its worth more then the current race pace deficit... so what like 4 tenths 5 tenths?

Seems like Redbull are concerned with qualifying performance, while Renault are trying to focus attention on race pace.


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Andrew Benson reporting Merc are delaying their new power unit until France due to a quality issue.

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 23040?s=19

Interesting - advantage Ferrari if they do have a new power unit this weekend?


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It's not just the new spec power unit for Ferrari. It's also the fact that Merc will be using the power unit that has been in the car since March. Ferrari's pu will be comfortably better this weekend.

Also very interested to see what Honda will bring. 40hp would be huge.


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It's not just the new spec power unit for Ferrari. It's also the fact that Merc will be using the power unit that has been in the car since March. Ferrari's pu will be comfortably better this weekend.

Also very interested to see what Honda will bring. 40hp would be huge.

I red another report which said it was 27bhp, but even that was speculation and I can't find anything from Honda themselves

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-canadian-gp-engine-upgrade-ice-1044804/


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