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Is this Hamilton's worst qualifying in a long time?

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Very poor performances by Kimi, Lewis and Dan.

Well Kimi messed up, so that one's entirely on him. But the fact that Hamilton kept locking up at the same spot suggests to me that he has some kind of balance issue. I can't believe he wouldn't learn from his mistake at some point!

Didn't see much of Ricciardo's laps, so not sure if he was poor or struggling with something.


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Very surprised by Hamilton's struggles here. It seems to go back to that suspension change he made late in FP3. Ever since then there have been a lot of lockups from him. But he's on the back foot here without question. For Vettel and Ferrari, tomorrow should be a pretty straight forward day but of course this year safety cars have played such a huge role in the races. I bet he'd kill for a boring race.

With the 3 DRS zones and long straight I think overtaking might be a possibility?

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Is this Hamilton's worst qualifying in a long time?

He had 2 or 3 last year that were poor.

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pokerman wrote:
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Is this Hamilton's worst qualifying in a long time?

He had 2 or 3 last year that were poor.


He's a tenth off his team-mate here who almost kept pace with Vettel and his new PU. Do you not think Hamilton was on par or worse in China and Bahrain 2018?


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Yeah really an amazing session. Very unpredictable. I felt this track layout favored Ferrari but the fact Merc didn’t have newer engines also played a role. Max was fantastic. Lewis had his issues. Bottas showing his worth. Should be a very interesting race. Don’t think anything will be easy, not with Max on the second row on a different strategy. Hopefully no one bins it on lap 1.


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Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

I don't know if that's better. After all, passing Verstappen is navigating land mines.


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Seems Gasly had problems with his PU and had to revert to his old one, which may explain some of the gap between him and his team mate


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Zoue wrote:
Seems Gasly had problems with his PU and had to revert to his old one, which may explain some of the gap between him and his team mate


Hopefully for them and Honda it explains a whole lot of it.


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Seems Gasly had problems with his PU and had to revert to his old one, which may explain some of the gap between him and his team mate


Hopefully for them and Honda it explains a whole lot of it.

well it was rumoured to be a significant upgrade, to be fair


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Very surprised by Hamilton's struggles here. It seems to go back to that suspension change he made late in FP3. Ever since then there have been a lot of lockups from him. But he's on the back foot here without question. For Vettel and Ferrari, tomorrow should be a pretty straight forward day but of course this year safety cars have played such a huge role in the races. I bet he'd kill for a boring race.

With the 3 DRS zones and long straight I think overtaking might be a possibility?

I would expect him to be stronger in the race but he seems to have taken a late wrong turn with setup. The front end is too stiff from the looks of it. That might plague him throughout the race too. But I think tire life might be Mercedes' silver bullet here. Their tires might simply outlast Ferrari's. Of course Red Bull are right there as well. It trully is a three way fight. I'm baffled by people who insist that Red Bull are behind. They are simply not behind at all.


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Very surprised by Hamilton's struggles here. It seems to go back to that suspension change he made late in FP3. Ever since then there have been a lot of lockups from him. But he's on the back foot here without question. For Vettel and Ferrari, tomorrow should be a pretty straight forward day but of course this year safety cars have played such a huge role in the races. I bet he'd kill for a boring race.

With the 3 DRS zones and long straight I think overtaking might be a possibility?

I would expect him to be stronger in the race but he seems to have taken a late wrong turn with setup. The front end is too stiff from the looks of it. That might plague him throughout the race too. But I think tire life might be Mercedes' silver bullet here. Their tires might simply outlast Ferrari's. Of course Red Bull are right there as well. It trully is a three way fight. I'm baffled by people who insist that Red Bull are behind. They are simply not behind at all.

Red Bull certainly look like they have the best chassis at the moment. But they do have a PU deficit, which costs them dearly in qualifying.


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pokerman wrote:
Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

Max is not picky ;)

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Is this Hamilton's worst qualifying in a long time?

He had 2 or 3 last year that were poor.


He's a tenth off his team-mate here who almost kept pace with Vettel and his new PU. Do you not think Hamilton was on par or worse in China and Bahrain 2018?

Worse this is actually the biggest gap, disappointing because he could have been quicker but kept repeating the same mistake.

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Lol, it seems we were all sitting there waiting for that huge lap from Hamilton and it never materialized. Very unexpected at this circuit.


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Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

I don't know if that's better. After all, passing Verstappen is navigating land mines.

Well I think Verstappen is going to go for it from the start like he did last year when he hit and damaged Vettel's front wing, so that is potential damage limitation for Hamilton.

In the race itself if all things are equal Verstappen has good race pace so will not hold Hamilton up as such.

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Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

Max is not picky ;)

Well unless Verstappen drops the car into reverse I think Hamilton will be giving him a wide berth at the start.

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pokerman wrote:
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Is this Hamilton's worst qualifying in a long time?

He had 2 or 3 last year that were poor.


He's a tenth off his team-mate here who almost kept pace with Vettel and his new PU. Do you not think Hamilton was on par or worse in China and Bahrain 2018?

Worse this is actually the biggest gap, disappointing because he could have been quicker but kept repeating the same mistake.


But I would argue Bottas has performed better here relative to at least China. I agree it's disappointing by the rarified Hamilton-Montreal tandem of standards but I think his pace was good and yes he kept making that one mistake. Ultimately by pure standards without the baggage I think he still put in a decent lap by the timings, and that Bottas performed very well as did Vettel and Ricciardo, and that Max had a super performance.


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Come on Max, lets make this race fun!!! :D :lol:


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Zoue wrote:
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Red Bull certainly look like they have the best chassis at the moment. But they do have a PU deficit, which costs them dearly in qualifying.

In may cost them in qualifying but their race pace is much better.


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Lt. Drebin wrote:
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Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

Max is not picky ;)


He can take him out in either grid spot :nod:

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Hamilton did not seem happy in the post interview...

Hopefully his car can provide a challenge.


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pokerman wrote:
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Poor qualifying from Hamilton but at least he has Verstappen directly in front of him rather than directly behind him, if you know what I mean?

I don't know if that's better. After all, passing Verstappen is navigating land mines.

Well I think Verstappen is going to go for it from the start like he did last year when he hit and damaged Vettel's front wing, so that is potential damage limitation for Hamilton.

In the race itself if all things are equal Verstappen has good race pace so will not hold Hamilton up as such.


How come is that? Being on the outside almost a full car length in front leaving space, with Bottas on inside, and that left Vettel squeezed in the middle so he touched Max's rear tyre.
But....he hit Vettel, because, oh well, he's Max Verstappen. :?


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That traffic jam was ridiculous


Vettel had to back out for sure or that would have ended badly


He was going to back out anyway, he didn't want to start the race on the Hypersoft... big fuss about nothing.

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You mean 10kw(13bhp) from the bigger exhaust manifold? Still no reason why McLaren wouldn't allow them to make a similar change if Honda told them what it would bring.

Doing that might have been tricky though admittedly as Honda called it an "unexpected" gain so if you can't tell your chassis maker what any change will bring how can that chassis maker decide if it's worth the compromise to the car?

Probably a good example of why the McHonda partnership failed actually,Honda are still in a learning phase, more trial and error really whereas McLaren and Alonso were, perhaps foolishly or unfairly, expecting much much more.


Also foolishly or unfairly expecting Honda could pull the midfield chassis to the front


Not really, Alonso said they lacked to the top guys more than once. Unfortunately he also said they had "one of the best" so predictably the "one" was dropped and that's all anyone chooses to remember which is neither McLaren or Alonso's problem really.

Plus we had 3 different chassis's during the McHonda era so which is it or are we expected to believe now that they are the only team to suffer no variance in performance chassis wise during this time?

I'm going to guess it's the latter to go along with the ridiculous picking and choosing of what Alonso quotes are supposed to sum up McLaren's view on their own chassis recently.

I think we know the implications of saying one of the best, also now we see people losing their jobs, these people who only a year ago were able to design one of the best cars in F1, that doesn't add up.


Yes the implication being we shouldn't be anywhere near 9th in the WCC with this chassis.

It adds up fine when you consider them making three massive changes to the car in one winter (suspension,nose and engine) and the the biggest weakness, low speed corners and mechanical grip, is precisely where the guy that lost his job was supposedly in charge of (suspension).

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I really hope F1 drivers become more funny and relaxed these days. Grosjean should have said, "as soon as Ericsson came up my tail, the engine exploded."

Just watched GP Canada 1981, some parts. They interviewed the winner Lafitte, and than you see a hand in white overalls from behind, moving his cap forwards which in a split second covers his face. Lafitte laughs, as well as Villeneuve (third in a race) who did it. That kind of stuff. I guess different generations, different rules.

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Very poor performances by Kimi, Lewis and Dan.

Well Kimi messed up, so that one's entirely on him. But the fact that Hamilton kept locking up at the same spot suggests to me that he has some kind of balance issue. I can't believe he wouldn't learn from his mistake at some point!

Didn't see much of Ricciardo's laps, so not sure if he was poor or struggling with something.

Montreal is actually a bit of a bogey track for Ricciardo, even in races if you discount 2014. Since debut he's only outqualified his teammate twice, and lost to Kvyat in 2015.

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Very poor performances by Kimi, Lewis and Dan.

Well Kimi messed up, so that one's entirely on him. But the fact that Hamilton kept locking up at the same spot suggests to me that he has some kind of balance issue. I can't believe he wouldn't learn from his mistake at some point!

Didn't see much of Ricciardo's laps, so not sure if he was poor or struggling with something.

Montreal is actually a bit of a bogey track for Ricciardo, even in races if you discount 2014. Since debut he's only outqualified his teammate twice, and lost to Kvyat in 2015.



Yep - I think they said on commentary (Sky) that it is his worst track for qualifying when compared to team mates. Not sure whether that's head to head or average gaps.


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Ferrari have had to change the inter-cooler on Kimi Raikkonen's car after Romain Grosjean's failure yesterday.

Sebastian Vettel's is fine, Ferrari believe, but they feared Raikkonen's would fail at some point in the race if it wasn't changed.

Nervy moments for the Scuderia.


http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog


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Zoue wrote:
Ferrari have had to change the inter-cooler on Kimi Raikkonen's car after Romain Grosjean's failure yesterday.

Sebastian Vettel's is fine, Ferrari believe, but they feared Raikkonen's would fail at some point in the race if it wasn't changed.

Nervy moments for the Scuderia.


http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog


Vettel's car also developed a problem, but never found out what it was


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