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Which driver won each intra-team battle in Spain?
Poll ended at Tue May 22, 2018 12:25 pm
Hamilton 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Bottas 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Vettel 9%  9%  [ 29 ]
Raikkonen 2%  2%  [ 5 ]
Ricciardo 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Verstappen 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Perez 6%  6%  [ 21 ]
Ocon 3%  3%  [ 10 ]
Stroll 8%  8%  [ 26 ]
Sirotkin 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
Sainz 8%  8%  [ 27 ]
Hulkenberg 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
Gasly 7%  7%  [ 23 ]
Hartley 2%  2%  [ 5 ]
Grosjean 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Magnussen 10%  10%  [ 31 ]
Alonso 10%  10%  [ 34 ]
Vandoorne 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Ericsson 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Leclerc 10%  10%  [ 34 ]
Total votes : 324
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:25 pm 
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Results of the Baku vote:

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Baku followed the theme of the season so far, where several drivers (Ricciardo, Perez, Stroll, Sainz, Magnussen, Alonso and Leclerc) each received a significant portion of the vote, with only the Vettel/Raikkonen vote even vaguely close. The results for the season so far are as follows:

Bottas 2 - 2 Hamilton (55% - 45%)
Vettel 3 - 1 Raikkonen (61% - 39%)
Ricciardo 4 - 0 Verstappen (94% - 6%)
Perez 2 - 2 Ocon (68% - 32%)
Stroll 4 - 0 Sirotkin (85% - 15%)
Hulkenberg 3 - 1 Sainz (63% - 37%)
Gasly 2 - 2 Hartley (63% - 37%)
Magnussen 4 - 0 Grosjean (91% - 9%)
Alonso 4 - 0 Vandoorne (96% - 4%)
Ericsson 3 - 1 Leclerc (53% - 47%)

After the first four races, the closest score is between the two Mercedes drivers, with both having won two races and the actual vote split 55/45. Four drivers have a perfect record in terms of having won the battle at each race: Ricciardo, Stroll, Magnussen and Alonso, with the later also having taken the highest percentage split of any of the votes, scoring 96% so far. To put a number to that percentage, Alonso has received 169 votes while Vandoorne has been given just seven!

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:36 pm 
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Results of the Baku vote:

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Baku followed the theme of the season so far, where several drivers (Ricciardo, Perez, Stroll, Sainz, Magnussen, Alonso and Leclerc) each received a significant portion of the vote, with only the Vettel/Raikkonen vote even vaguely close. The results for the season so far are as follows:

Bottas 2 - 2 Hamilton (55% - 45%)
Vettel 3 - 1 Raikkonen (61% - 39%)
Ricciardo 4 - 0 Verstappen (94% - 6%)
Perez 2 - 2 Ocon (68% - 32%)
Stroll 4 - 0 Sirotkin (85% - 15%)
Hulkenberg 3 - 1 Sainz (63% - 37%)
Gasly 2 - 2 Hartley (63% - 37%)
Magnussen 4 - 0 Grosjean (91% - 9%)
Alonso 4 - 0 Vandoorne (96% - 4%)
Ericsson 3 - 1 Leclerc (53% - 47%)

After the first four races, the closest score is between the two Mercedes drivers, with both having won two races and the actual vote split 55/45. Four drivers have a perfect record in terms of having won the battle at each race: Ricciardo, Stroll, Magnussen and Alonso, with the later also having taken the highest percentage split of any of the votes, scoring 96% so far. To put a number to that percentage, Alonso has received 169 votes while Vandoorne has been given just seven!


Unless I am misunderstanding the way you are measuring things, aren't Ericsson and Leclerc the closest to each other? 53% and 47% is closer than Hamilton and Bottas. Unless you mean the fact that Bottas and Hamilton had 2 weekends each where they outpreformed each other, and were the closest in that respect.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:50 pm 
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I'm wondering on what basis Vandoorne got his votes. I can't remember whether there was ambiguity at any race?


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 pm 
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I couldn't bring myself to cast a vote either way for the TR and Renault drivers.

Hulk had a fuel pressure issue in Q and had his race destroyed by Grosjean and I don't like giving votes by default. Some thing with Gasly being taken out in the first lap in the race. All of the other teams it was pretty straight forward.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:50 am 
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Unless I am misunderstanding the way you are measuring things, aren't Ericsson and Leclerc the closest to each other? 53% and 47% is closer than Hamilton and Bottas. Unless you mean the fact that Bottas and Hamilton had 2 weekends each where they outpreformed each other, and were the closest in that respect.


In terms of percentage, yes, Ericsson and Leclerc are closer. But Ericsson has a 3-1 lead over Leclerc whereas Hamilton and Bottas have both won two of the four races and have a very similar split of the overall percentage.

That Leclerc is as close as he is in terms of percentage, despite only having won one race, is down to receiving a very large share of the Baku result. I expect he'll be ahead in terms of percentage after this vote despite still being 2-3 down overall.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:02 pm 
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Obvious choices: Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, Alonso and Leclerc
Hamilton had one of *those* races where he looked like he was in a different formula to the rest. Only way he was going to lose the win was through misfortune, and he avoided any. Bottas pushed him hard in quali but dropping behind Vettel at the start ended his hopes of a win, and he was fortunate Ferrari had to make a second stop (and that Seb came out behind Max and couldn't even try to close back up). For his part, Seb was a few tenths ahead of Kimi throughout quali and was well-placed for the better result when Kimi retired. Max had the better race after the two Red Bulls were almost inseparable in qualifying, although he was lucky not to do more damage to his front wing under the VSC. Alonso again put Vandoorne in the shade while Leclerc had another starring performance.

Grosjean'ed choices: Sainz, Gasly, Magnussen
KMag could've gone in the obvious section as he was an obvious choice: ahead in quali and didn't ruin two other people's races on the first lap. As for Grosjean, the best you can argue is that he was unfortunate to be following Magnussen when his teammate had such a twitch, but flooring the throttle and going across the track as he did was pure stupidity. The reality is it could've ended up a lot worse than it actually did. And while I'm not sure if it means anything, compare Grosjean's reaction to that of Seb Vettel, who has twice shown the presence of mind to let the car roll backwards after an accident (Brazil 2012 and Singapore last year) in order to give himself a better chance of staying out of trouble...

I've also gone for Sainz and Gasly. Gasly because while he was taken out on the first lap, he hadn't destroyed his car by making a pretty simple error in FP3, and it wasn't like Hartley then went on and had a phenomenal race anyway. Sainz is possibly the hardest choice because unlike the Toro Rosso pair, Hulkenberg's poor quali performance wasn't all his own doing - the fuel pressure issue obviously compromised him on Saturday. However, I'm trying to avoid abstaining from any of the votes no matter how tough it is, and I feel like Sainz did a good job so it makes it easier to give him the vote. Incidentally, it shows how quick things can turnaround in F1 as after three races, Hulk was dominating Sainz. Now, thanks to a DNF that was his fault and another in which he was completely innocent, Sainz is the guy with all the momentum and Nico's in need of a good result.

Tough-ish choices: Stroll and Ocon
I did have to think about the Williams battke for a moment, but only because Stroll binned it in quali and Sirotkin was more heavily compromised by the Grosjean incident. But ultimately Stroll showed better pace on Sunday. As for Ocon, he out-qualified Perez and was running ahead of him until a botched pitstop dropped him behind the Mexican, and then he ended up retiring. So he gets my vote despite Checo scoring points.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:14 pm 
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I wish votes were public. Gotta wonder who is voting for the ridiculous option from time to time.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:13 pm 
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Invade wrote:
I wish votes were public. Gotta wonder who is voting for the ridiculous option from time to time.

A combination of trolls who want to pollute the results, people who think it's funny (see #1) and people who just hate the other driver and couldn't bear to vote for him if the world depended on it.

Someone always votes for Vandoorne, and I find it puzzling. He's never even come close to being better than Alonso this season.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:03 am 
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Exediron wrote:
Invade wrote:
I wish votes were public. Gotta wonder who is voting for the ridiculous option from time to time.

A combination of trolls who want to pollute the results, people who think it's funny (see #1) and people who just hate the other driver and couldn't bear to vote for him if the world depended on it.

Someone always votes for Vandoorne, and I find it puzzling. He's never even come close to being better than Alonso this season.


The good thing is we're getting enough votes that the handful who vote for their favourite driver regardless, or who intentionally vote for a driver who very clearly had the worse weekend, don't make any difference in the grand scheme of things.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:19 am 
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Exediron wrote:
Invade wrote:
I wish votes were public. Gotta wonder who is voting for the ridiculous option from time to time.

A combination of trolls who want to pollute the results, people who think it's funny (see #1) and people who just hate the other driver and couldn't bear to vote for him if the world depended on it.

Someone always votes for Vandoorne, and I find it puzzling. He's never even come close to being better than Alonso this season.

Everybody has a mother - perhaps not always voting on this forum though


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