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The f1 app is reporting it as well. I’m so shocked by this. Ricciardo probably believed in Renault more than Honda.

Maybe because he's not young anymore to wait & be patient enough to see Honda progress through the years. Renault (team) are making progress & sooner than later they will compete for podiums & within the time frame of Ricciardo planning to stay in F1 & winning an F1 crown.

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Are people really putting Alonso in Ricciardo's seat?

It doesn't look like Honda have much much progress since moving to Torro Rosso, I can't see Alonso risking another 2 years scraping into the top ten. I'm fully expecting him to announce he's taking a sabbatical or even a full on retirement...

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Why are people shocked by this?

He's said all along he wants a championship. Ferrari & Merc were never options & RB have as much as admitted that Verstappen was their man for the future so that basically left him 1 option to get to that goal and he took it.

He's now got the opportunity to lead a full works team. Ok, he won't win the WC next year and maybe not the year after but i'm almost certain he wouldn't have ever had the chance to win it if he stayed at RB.

If he'd re-signed with RB, he could've pretty much kissed goodbye even the slightest hope of ever being WC. At least with Renault he still has the chance, as remote as it currently may seem.

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Ocon and Verstappen really don't get on. If the reason for not hiring Sainz or Alonso is team harmony then Ocon is also out.

You could say that but till nothing is officially confirmed, anything can happen. Silly season is not known 'silly' without a reason!

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A redbull honda would still be the third best car by a mile. The Honda pu is pretty much equal to Renault performance wise. I don’t see them catching Merc and Ferrari until the next regs, but they will still be a top team and win races next year.

Well I think the main reason it won't happen is because of Honda and yet another burnt bridge.

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George Russell will be at Williams.

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That would be good. Is that something you know or something you think?

In terms of winning titles does he believe in either short term, I can see him believing Honda is a backwards step for Red Bull?

What does he lose?
Podiums and occasionally wins but no title challenge.

What does he gain?
Keeping his reputation intact which he was in danger of losing against Verstappen thus positioning himself better for 2021.

I would be guessing there might also be a monetary gain?

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Doesn't Red Bull have a similar tight packing like McLaren? No wonder they have so many engine related failures. Honda engine under a tight packing (a la McLaren) is not something to look upto!

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It's something that has been said and seems to have strong legs, Williams are also to receive the Mercedes gearbox and back end so it seems like a stronger link with Mercedes.

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Yeah I ventured that as well in this thread.

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Would it? Everyone seems to think Renault is the future over the last few pages.

Do you think Fernando would be cool with another two years battling for an average of 5th/6th, waiting for a Merc/Ferarri to crash out?

I get that people don't want him to go, but the options for race wins are slim to none for him, short of McLaren strapping a rocket to the car, he's probably done so far as championships and wins are concerned... unless HAM/VET retire/whatever.

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Wished Russell would join FI as he's tested many times for the team & was a strong candidate for a seat incase Checo or Ocon left.

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As some suggested Alonso will retire and move to Indy car racing. Certains seats will be available and awaiting news on Force India status.

I believe Red Bull will struggle with the Honda engines next season.

As per some reports from Spain, Red Bull have decided on Gasly for Ricciardo's replacement. This means Sainz is going to McLaren.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2198/red-bull-decide-on-ricciardo-replacement/

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This just means Sainz can talk to McLaren. It really wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't on the grid next season.

Just thinking about all this.

Yeah Ricciardo has taken a bit of a gamble going to Renault but it's a calculated risk that could either see him drift backwards or get a WC.

But just thinking, another potential big loser in all this could be Max Verstappen.

With most contracts only going until the end of 2020, Ferrari will have Leclerc lined up to succeed Vettel, Ocon for Hamilton at Merc, Ricciardo potentially ensconced as #1 at Renault and RB struggling with the Honda engine, Verstappen could potentially see himself stuck at RB with nowhere to go in the 4th best car.

All pure conjecture of course and a lot of if's & but's but food for thought.

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I think Alonso will focus on Indy next year. There is no near-term avenue for him to win in F1 and he can get the 500 out of the way during this next year or two and then maybe take a gamble on 2021 to come back to McLaren, Renault or perhaps Hamilton retires and Mercedes even becomes an outside possibility (though I think they would sign Max should Hamilton leave). There is simply no way that Alonso will be winning in 2019 in F1.

That's how I saw it a wee while ago but Saward made a good point about his Toyota deal. It runs until after next years Lemans and he can't miss a race or he won't get the WEC title should his car win it. Apparently Honda (Indy) aren't keen while he's contracted to Toyota.

It's sounding more like he'll just do another year at Macca with Sainz then go to Indy when he can drive an Andretti-Honda in 2020.

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Wow. Not sure if Gasly is ready to face a well nested Verstappen at redbull tbh. This might be career ending and I could see a repeat of the Kvyat saga all over again.

Perhaps Hulkenberg’s pretty thorough beating of Sainz have damaged the young spaniard’s rep as well?

If so that would either mean his F1 career would be over or that he would only have one season in Indy and then try to come back. I still hope to see Alonso in winning machinery at least one more season in F1 but it's not feeling very likely.

Yeah I think it could be over after next year.

Guessing but I think he'll announce a sabbatical or such like for 2020 while he goes to IndyCar with a view to seeing what happens with the 2021 reset and all the drivers being out of contract and how all that shakes out but I don't think it'll come to anything and he'll be effectively retired from F1 without actually announcing it while carrying on competing in Indy while threatening a comeback to F1 every now and then and getting linked endlessly every silly season until he's about 45,lol.

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As kind of predicted.

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Or it means Sainz is out, if McLaren decides Norris is ready. It's not a certainty he's going to McLaren just because he isn't going to Red Bull.

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Why would he have to do Indy with a Honda engine?
There are good Chevy teams out there who wouldn't have the same Toyota hang-ups that Honda would, and would probably like having Alonso in for the 500.

Yeah he could go to other teams but he's only being linked to Andretti as far as I'm aware. Maybe if/when he commits to IndyCar then more conversations outwith Andretti and Honda can take place sure but right now it seems Honda powered teams are the ones in talks.

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In my thread about should Alonso go, my answer is YES!!!. He will never win another WC again in F1....

He's better off leaving F1 with a good reputation behind him and extend his talents to another series, like Mansell did. Make way for fresh blood!..... Button, Massa, Barrichello and Webber all left and were part of the same era in racing. Alonso and Kimi are part of the same crowd and should also leave. Hamilton and Vettel will be the next generation to leave F1 depending on their moods or if they are fed up. The rest will leave depending on their futures within the team.

Next few months should be interesting.

Can I make a silly assumption? Would Red Bull even slightest consider Kimi for Ricciardo's seat? I know Red Bull go for younger drivers but still thought about it.

Another rumour is that Vandoorne will be replaced by Norris in Spa. Quite ironic to be replaced at his home grand prix!

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I can’t see way Kimi steps into the RBR. It doesn’t make sense for either the team or the driver. Gasly will take the RBR seat, and we’ll have to wait to see what happens with FI before the rest of the driver market can settle.

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So can we say now that RIC is running from Max in the same way VET, as some seem to think, ran away from RIC? Is this a case of "kill by the sword die by the sword"? Or is this different?

For the record, I think both arguments are beyond stupid, no one ran from anyone, these are drivers that evaluated the team situation and their future and acted as they saw fit and in their best interest. The narrative I have been reaing for so long that VET escaped an as wooping from RIC to me does not hold water.

This is a good move for RIC, now Max has to deliver, calm down a bit and play the long game.

Hopefully Alonso will leave, he is a spent force in F1, nowhere to go stuck in a team that at the most could fight for best of the rest next year. Nobody wants to get near Alonso and his politics. Stof Van deserves a real chance to be in a team devoid of Alonso. Stoff ans Carlos is a good lineup for a rebuilding McLaren, two chill dudes that will take a lot of pressure off the team

I think Kimi would be the perfect counterfoil to Max. Hell or bust v OK, I know what I'm doing, bringing in points for the lower step. There is also the lethargic way Kimi moves over. Not 'NO' just so you want me to move, well say it so everyone knows but I don't care.

Now that Ocon's supposed move to Renault from an unknown FI have been dented big time, I wonder if Toto / Mercedes will try their best & look into FI matters with more interest in order to safeguard Ocon's immediate future.

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This. Mclaren should see their past and act accordingly. When Honda left them they tried to stay afloat to please their star driver (Senna/Alonso). Senna left them, a young Hakkinen was left to help rebuild the team and eventually they did after a few years of struggle and became champions again.

Mclaren has a car with some fundamental issues (like Williams), but unlike them, they have the budget to afford a driver that would help with his input (Kimi/Kubica maybe Perez) instead of going for a young gun like Norris or a paydriver like Sirotkin/Stroll

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I agree. Alonso would love to destroy Vandoorne. But Mclaren should support him. Alonso will not be there for long buy Vandoorne career might get over sooner if he looses his confidence.

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Zak Brown has recently admitted that Sainz is high in the list of potential drivers to get a seat in 2019. Question is which seat's going to get empty - Alonso or Vandoorne?

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It's probably assumed Verstappen doesn't want Sainz at Red Bull. In such scenarios, the team should have a bigger saying than the driver as Verstappen is still young & building on experience. Similar scenarios were at Ferrari & Mercedes even but the driver's in question are 4 time WDC's.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2213/verstappen-doesn-t-want-sainz-at-red-bull-report/

So does this mean only Gasly is the probable option to replace Ricciardo?

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Don't trust Spanish news, especially Marca.

It's highly unlikely Verstappen has a veto or something like that. If Sainz doesn't get chosen, it's because Red Bull thinks he isn't good enough. Renault apparently wasn't that impressed either. Sainz will be lucky to get a seat anywhere.