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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:42 am 
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No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:40 am 
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Zazu wrote:
No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention

That's clearly not true given that he had a fuel tank especially made for him to alleviate that specific problem he was having.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:11 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
Zazu wrote:
No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention

That's clearly not true given that he had a fuel tank especially made for him to alleviate that specific problem he was having.
My opinion is that his tyres started to go off earlier then the others. You could see that he was struggling to get the bike stopped into turn 1, and lost two places in separate laps there.
I actually like Sachsenring and probably will miss it - it does pose its own challenges for the riders. On the other hand, a new circuit will be interesting.

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tootsie323 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zazu wrote:
No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention

That's clearly not true given that he had a fuel tank especially made for him to alleviate that specific problem he was having.
My opinion is that his tyres started to go off earlier then the others. You could see that he was struggling to get the bike stopped into turn 1, and lost two places in separate laps there.
I actually like Sachsenring and probably will miss it - it does pose its own challenges for the riders. On the other hand, a new circuit will be interesting.

Yeah it did seem that way, regarding his fitness that's something that's been put out there in the paddock.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:02 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention

That's clearly not true given that he had a fuel tank especially made for him to alleviate that specific problem he was having.
My opinion is that his tyres started to go off earlier then the others. You could see that he was struggling to get the bike stopped into turn 1, and lost two places in separate laps there.
I actually like Sachsenring and probably will miss it - it does pose its own challenges for the riders. On the other hand, a new circuit will be interesting.

Yeah it did seem that way, regarding his fitness that's something that's been put out there in the paddock.

I think you're misinterpreting the situation slightly. It wasn't about his personal fitness. It was about the ergonomics of the bike and how it clashed with his riding style. He was wearing down physically but it was due to his riding position putting too much stress on his upper body. With the new tank pad, this was supposedly solved.


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sandman1347 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

Wouldnt miss Sachsenring at all if/when it gets dropped. Only 1 line available so all 3 races were boring with no weather intervention

That's clearly not true given that he had a fuel tank especially made for him to alleviate that specific problem he was having.
My opinion is that his tyres started to go off earlier then the others. You could see that he was struggling to get the bike stopped into turn 1, and lost two places in separate laps there.
I actually like Sachsenring and probably will miss it - it does pose its own challenges for the riders. On the other hand, a new circuit will be interesting.

Yeah it did seem that way, regarding his fitness that's something that's been put out there in the paddock.

I think you're misinterpreting the situation slightly. It wasn't about his personal fitness. It was about the ergonomics of the bike and how it clashed with his riding style. He was wearing down physically but it was due to his riding position putting too much stress on his upper body. With the new tank pad, this was supposedly solved.

No it's being said since then, I'm guessing the Ducati would be a different beast to the smooth riding Yamaha he had before?

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Great racing! What a fabulous finish and fight amongst Dovi, JL, and MM. I have a lot more thoughts to expound upon later, but I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed that one yesterday, as a racing fan first, and Ducati fan second.

Gutted for Cal, Rossi pulled out an outstanding move on him on the last corner of the last lap.

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Great racing! What a fabulous finish and fight amongst Dovi, JL, and MM. I have a lot more thoughts to expound upon later, but I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed that one yesterday, as a racing fan first, and Ducati fan second.

Gutted for Cal, Rossi pulled out an outstanding move on him on the last corner of the last lap.

Hmmm was it really, how much racing could the riders actually do on the high deg tyres, the first half of the race was a precession, also no coincidence to see the tyres benefit the Ducati the most and in particular Lorenzo.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:08 pm 
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good race at the end. impressed with lorenzo in that race even without winning. seemed to pace himself better and great move on Marquez on last lap. showed plenty of fight which is a good sign for next year. if he likes the honda hes gonna give Marquez a serious test. Marquez is already a great, but lorenzo will show us how great.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:24 pm 
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Zazu wrote:
No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

That’s a VERY interesting statement in that even without additional fitness sessions, just riding alone provides a full body workout and keeps your core strong and fit like nothing else!

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Zazu wrote:
No one in MotoGP struggles with lack of fitness esp Lorenzo

That’s a VERY interesting statement in that even without additional fitness sessions, just riding alone provides a full body workout and keeps your core strong and fit like nothing else!

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Another great race. Top four were stars. Even when Rossi doesn't have a bike capable of winning the race, he's still able to fight to the end and pull out some magic.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:28 am 
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Another great race. Top four were stars. Even when Rossi doesn't have a bike capable of winning the race, he's still able to fight to the end and pull out some magic.

Horses for courses I suppose?

My thinking was even though he didn't have a bike capable of winning the race Marquez still got on the podium.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:26 pm 
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Great racing! What a fabulous finish and fight amongst Dovi, JL, and MM. I have a lot more thoughts to expound upon later, but I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed that one yesterday, as a racing fan first, and Ducati fan second.

Gutted for Cal, Rossi pulled out an outstanding move on him on the last corner of the last lap.

Hmmm was it really, how much racing could the riders actually do on the high deg tyres, the first half of the race was a precession, also no coincidence to see the tyres benefit the Ducati the most and in particular Lorenzo.


Not sure what you are watching, dude. Yeah, it was a great race, and I would never call a motoGP race, especially at Brno, which is a fabulous track, a procession. Are they going as fast as they possibly can each lap? Of course not---Then again, they never do, and cannot. There has to be some conservation efforts to allow them to attack in the second part of the race, which you saw Lorenzo do, Marquez usually does well, as does Dovi. To suggest the first half was a procession reeks of hyperbole when there was plenty of overtaking and riders changing position. In particular, Rossi had a great race until his rear tire dropped too much, which is problem the Yamaha has with the way their bike accelerates and spins, causing them to burn the tire a bit more than others and costs them the ability to drive out of corners later.

As far as your suggestion that Ducati somehow benefits from the selection of tires, which, are chosen for all rounds BEFORE THE SEASON starts, I don't know what to say to that. This particular track suited the Ducati more, then say Assen with high speed corners or long radius corners. The temperature is a consideration that has to be discussed as well. Brno had very high temps, nearly everyone had to go H/H, otherwise they would likely fade badly. Rossi was the only one out of the top five that didn't go H/H. Nevertheless, Marquez would have tried to win it if it he had the pace to do so. I don't think he did, and he was smart not to try and fight to the death to win with so many good points on offer, which he rightfully took.

If you've got more substance to your tire theory, I'd love to hear it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 pm 
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Cold Gin wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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Great racing! What a fabulous finish and fight amongst Dovi, JL, and MM. I have a lot more thoughts to expound upon later, but I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed that one yesterday, as a racing fan first, and Ducati fan second.

Gutted for Cal, Rossi pulled out an outstanding move on him on the last corner of the last lap.

Hmmm was it really, how much racing could the riders actually do on the high deg tyres, the first half of the race was a precession, also no coincidence to see the tyres benefit the Ducati the most and in particular Lorenzo.


Not sure what you are watching, dude. Yeah, it was a great race, and I would never call a motoGP race, especially at Brno, which is a fabulous track, a procession. Are they going as fast as they possibly can each lap? Of course not---Then again, they never do, and cannot. There has to be some conservation efforts to allow them to attack in the second part of the race, which you saw Lorenzo do, Marquez usually does well, as does Dovi. To suggest the first half was a procession reeks of hyperbole when there was plenty of overtaking and riders changing position. In particular, Rossi had a great race until his rear tire dropped too much, which is problem the Yamaha has with the way their bike accelerates and spins, causing them to burn the tire a bit more than others and costs them the ability to drive out of corners later.

As far as your suggestion that Ducati somehow benefits from the selection of tires, which, are chosen for all rounds BEFORE THE SEASON starts, I don't know what to say to that. This particular track suited the Ducati more, then say Assen with high speed corners or long radius corners. The temperature is a consideration that has to be discussed as well. Brno had very high temps, nearly everyone had to go H/H, otherwise they would likely fade badly. Rossi was the only one out of the top five that didn't go H/H. Nevertheless, Marquez would have tried to win it if it he had the pace to do so. I don't think he did, and he was smart not to try and fight to the death to win with so many good points on offer, which he rightfully took.

If you've got more substance to your tire theory, I'd love to hear it.

When the riders at the back are able to set fastest laps then you know that the front runners were cruising, they dare not push the tyres until they were halfway through the race.

I didn't say the tyres were being brought to deliberately favour Ducati just that when the tyres are marginal then it suits Ducati.

So every time there are concerns about tyres lasting the race don't be surprised if Ducati do well in those races.

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Good win for Lorenzo after an epic battle with Marquez but Marquez extends his lead by 10 points.

A Lorenzo/Ducati line up could have been a potent line up for the title next year but unfortunately things came together a race too late, maybe it's better for Marquez that Lorenzo is to be his teammate next year?

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never been a lorenzo fan really but thoroughly enjoying watching this version of him. seems more feisty then ever. yamahas terrible again. rossi as usual a sunday rider. vinales the worst starter and worst first lap rider i can remember. s**t bike or not. seriously needs to sort it out or hes gonna fade into obscurity.


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Great ride from Lorenzo! He finally understands that you don't win by running away from the field on the Ducati. You have to allow the tires to slowly come into their window and not push until about half way through the race.

Honestly, I think Ducati have had the best bike three years running now. Okay, it's not an easy bike to wrap your head around but I think it has been the fastest more often than not since 2016. Losing Lorenzo is a disaster for Ducati! It just took too long for him to figure out the bike and for them to understand what he needed. Without question, Ducati will NOT have a rider of his caliber next year and they will lose out because of it. For me, they should be aggressively pursuing the likes of Vinales, Zarco, Oliveira and/or Bagnaia. They are squandering an era of strength!

The Moto2 race was a real treat. It's definitely a two-horse race for the championship now and the top two riders really put on a show. I'm not sure who I like for the championship right now but I think it will come down to consistency. Whoever can remain on the bike and avoid catastrophe will win it IMO.

I think Martin did an astonishing job in Moto3 considering the fracture he was racing with. I think he'll hang on and still win the title assuming he is able to avoid aggravating the injury for the rest of the year.


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Glad I didn't forget there was a race on this time; I completely forgot about Brno. :blush: Gladder still to see Lorenzo win; I have always had a soft spot for him, for the way he went up against Rossi from the moment he came into MotoGP. Slightly worried by how he and Dovi don't seem to be able to work together.

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Glad I didn't forget there was a race on this time; I completely forgot about Brno. :blush: Gladder still to see Lorenzo win; I have always had a soft spot for him, for the way he went up against Rossi from the moment he came into MotoGP. Slightly worried by how he and Dovi don't seem to be able to work together.


I am afraid Dovi, nice as he is, just realized a few months ago he would not beat Lorenzo this year. He played his cards and got to stay at Ducati. Trying now to save face, he has antagonised Lorenzo with some weird comments... I kind of understand it, but it has created the bad atmosphere... Nobody is perfect.


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