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Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
1. Lewis Hamilton 30%  30%  [ 58 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
3. Sebastian Vettel 19%  19%  [ 37 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 5%  5%  [ 9 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 10%  10%  [ 20 ]
6. Max Verstappen 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
9. Felipe Massa 15%  15%  [ 29 ]
10. Lance Stroll 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 15%  15%  [ 29 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
20. Pascal Wehrlein 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
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Vettel, Massa & Gasly

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Alonso, Ricciardo, Hamilton in that order.


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Ricciardo messed up at the beginning of his race. I'll take Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel.

Stroll for worst driver of the day.. well, slowest - maybe Grosjean was the worst.


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Hamilton, Vettel and Massa.


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Vettel, Hamilton & Massa

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Hamilton.

Followed closely by Alonso and Massa.

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Vettel, Massa, Alonso.


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Gasly and Massa.

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Hamilton, Raikonnen and Vettel for me.
Thought Hamilton's race craft was very fluid as he went through the field and his pace was amazing.
Vettel to me started behind a car that was faster than him, but he took the lead and won the race. I knew he would find a way and he did, under much harder circumstances than I could predict.
Kimi actually pulled away from Max and was able to fend off Hamilton, so I thought he was very feisty today and put the car where it belongs.


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Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.


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Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.

How many seconds did Hamilton finish behind the winner?

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.



Hamilton couldn't have done more than he did. You could also hear how proud he was of his race in the post-race interview. The best he could have done was get a move done very early on Kimi with some extraordinary lap to position himself before the juice in his tyres were gone.

Alonso, Hamilton, Massa got the most out of their race, and Vettel did a great job.

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BTW did Ricc actually lose it at the beginning or was it not his fault? I was under the impression from commentary he lost control himself but apparently he got hit and I missed the replays early.


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pokerman wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.

How many seconds did Hamilton finish behind the winner?

Don't you already know? I know he wasn't far off. But he locked up and cost himself a better position. His recovery was very good indeed, but he only had to do it because of a mistake of his own making. I certainly can understand why some will vote Hamilton, but I find it a bit surprising that he got DOTD as soon as the race finished officially. I'd say Alonso, Massa and Vettal all did a better job on the whole, but I guess I should respect other peoples views. Hamilton certainly was still extremely strong and a lot quicker than his team mate in the race.


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Invade wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.



Hamilton couldn't have done more than he did. You could also hear how proud he was of his race in the post-race interview. The best he could have done was get a move done very early on Kimi with some extraordinary lap to position himself before the juice in his tyres were gone.

Alonso, Hamilton, Massa got the most out of their race, and Vettel did a great job.

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BTW did Ricc actually lose it at the beginning or was it not his fault? I was under the impression from commentary he lost control himself but apparently he got hit and I missed the replays early.

At first, Sky didn't think Ricciardo got hit. But then on the replaces it looked like he did and they changed their view on it. I think Ricciardo did go wide on his own, but spun due to contact from near him. I'm not totally sure as I haven't seen enough replays either.


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Ricciardo deserves a shout if it wasn't his fault given the creativity and execution of his passes. He has to be more fancy with that conservatively applied third best engine on the grid. I still can't really give it to him though... Max showed the sort of pace the Red Bull could have and Ricc wasn't even close to him despite Max taking an extra stop, whereas Lewis was a few seconds off the lead. I think Lewis was the fastest man out there even relatively speaking to the other drivers, accounting for equipment - so that includes Massa + Alonso.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.


This is driver of the day. What happened yesterday is irrelevant when considering your vote.

Certainly the SC was obviously a benefit, but I thought I heard the commentators say he was up to 14th by then already. I think he was in the pack already.

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I'm really interested to hear how Kimi has 4 votes. Anyone brave enough , please enlighten me as I've missed something I'm sure.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.


I would say that more impressive than the fourth position was the way the gap closed to the leaders. The safety car came early on in the race and even then Hamilton had to pass all that traffic and caught right up to the top 3.

Not necessarily saying it makes him driver of the day (these drives from the back tend to get overrated). But there is certainly more to it than just finishing fourth.


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I'm really interested to hear how Kimi has 4 votes. Anyone brave enough , please enlighten me as I've missed something I'm sure.


I didn't vote for him. He did fine, a solid 7.5 out of 10 job really. Nothing special, nothing disastrous.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
pokerman wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.

How many seconds did Hamilton finish behind the winner?

Don't you already know? I know he wasn't far off. But he locked up and cost himself a better position. His recovery was very good indeed, but he only had to do it because of a mistake of his own making. I certainly can understand why some will vote Hamilton, but I find it a bit surprising that he got DOTD as soon as the race finished officially. I'd say Alonso, Massa and Vettal all did a better job on the whole, but I guess I should respect other peoples views. Hamilton certainly was still extremely strong and a lot quicker than his team mate in the race.

This is DoTD and has nothing to do with what happened yesterday, I sense a double standard.

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Laz_T800 wrote:
I'm really interested to hear how Kimi has 4 votes. Anyone brave enough , please enlighten me as I've missed something I'm sure.

You posted directly below somebody that voted for Kimi.

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Laz_T800 wrote:
I'm really interested to hear how Kimi has 4 votes. Anyone brave enough , please enlighten me as I've missed something I'm sure.


He kept up with the leaders, pulled away from his direct threat Verstappen, defended from a much faster Hamilton.

Sounds like a good drive to me.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.

well you'd have to say that he shouldn't have been able to hound Kimi for a podium, not when he started from the back. I think you may be right that 4th in itself should have been expected, but he still should have been some way down the road

Alonso keeping so close to Massa shows how good that McLaren chassis is, especially since he was a sitting duck on the straight with his power deficit. A pretty impressive drive I feel.

Once Vettel was ahead, it was all over. Bottas was very disappointing, particularly when you see how much pressure Hamilton was able to put on Kimi at the end. I don't think Vettel had a very difficult race today so hard to make him DotD for me.

It's a toss up between Alonso and Hamilton for me. Think I'll go with Hamilton given where he started and ended up


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What's telling about Bottas is that Vettel didn't have it so easy up front in terms of managing his car, so he wasn't operating at any extraordinary pace and yet Bottas couldn't mount even a meek challenge post-pitstops.

So yeah, I'd have to agree that Bottas was very unimpressive.


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The problem I have with Alonso's drive is that it was his own fault for putting himself in the situation he was in. He let Massa overtake him in the beginning of the race although he was faster. Not sure if he was napping or what, but Massa mugged him and it should't have happened.


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The problem I have with Alonso's drive is that it was his own fault for putting himself in the situation he was in. He let Massa overtake him in the beginning of the race although he was faster. Not sure if he was napping or what, but Massa mugged him and it should't have happened.

I'm really not sure there was much he could do in that particular situation. The only way he could keep a car that was that much faster in a straight line behind him was to distance them in the middle sector where he and the McLaren were strong. The safety car restart was the one situation where that was impossible. I think it more the case that unless Massa was caught napping it was pretty inevitable.

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kleefton wrote:
Laz_T800 wrote:
I'm really interested to hear how Kimi has 4 votes. Anyone brave enough , please enlighten me as I've missed something I'm sure.


He kept up with the leaders, pulled away from his direct threat Verstappen, defended from a much faster Hamilton.

Sounds like a good drive to me.


I think he had a decent drive also.
I'm struggling to justify a top 3 drive of the day though.
By the time Hamilton got anywhere near him there was little left in his tyres so not a lot to defend.
Started 3rd, finished 3rd. No drama lol.


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pokerman wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.

How many seconds did Hamilton finish behind the winner?

Don't you already know? I know he wasn't far off. But he locked up and cost himself a better position. His recovery was very good indeed, but he only had to do it because of a mistake of his own making. I certainly can understand why some will vote Hamilton, but I find it a bit surprising that he got DOTD as soon as the race finished officially. I'd say Alonso, Massa and Vettal all did a better job on the whole, but I guess I should respect other peoples views. Hamilton certainly was still extremely strong and a lot quicker than his team mate in the race.

This is DoTD and has nothing to do with what happened yesterday, I sense a double standard.

But I am talking about what he did today. And the fact there were several cars retiring as well as a safety car no doubt will have helped him get a little closer to Verstappen and Kimi sooner than he did. So I think it was down to this that gave him an opportunity to get Kimi. But he still finished 4th which basically is the lowest he should have finished. But in terms of pace, Yes, I can agree he should have several votes, I just can't understand why he has more than anyone else.


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Sebastian was perfect. He's the driver of the day.

Hamilton carving through the field in a car that is more than a second quicker than almost everyone else, impressive? No.


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kleefton wrote:
The problem I have with Alonso's drive is that it was his own fault for putting himself in the situation he was in. He let Massa overtake him in the beginning of the race although he was faster. Not sure if he was napping or what, but Massa mugged him and it should't have happened.

I think it was the power deficit on the straight, wasn't it? Not too much he could do


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Hamilton by far, started in the ptlane and only finished 4 seconds off the victory while carving up the field on his way there.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Is 4th actually that special for a Mercedes to finish? Considering the fact he started from the pit lane because of his own mistake, he did gain quite a bit by the safety car and other retirements very quickly. But yes, his recovery drive was very good, but not quite sure yet if I could vote him. Still thinking though. For the cars's pace and considering Ricciardo got spun, 4th, is pretty much the lowest position he should have finished. So is it really that unexpected? He also did lock up which possibly cost him a better result. I'm thinking that I will most likely go for Massa, Vettel and Alonso.


I agree with you. There was nothing surprising or special about Hamilton getting up to fourth place in that car on this track. But as usual, you have the British press and fans pouring superlatives all over him. He did a good job, nothing more.


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Vettel ... he did exactly what he had to do and drive a near-immaculate race
Bottas ... he also drive an excellent race. Yes, he got mugged in turn one, but did not surrender any positions after that.
Raikkonen ... for a guy some fans proclaim is well past his due date, was very quick and managed the entire race very well.

Why not Hamilton? His drive through the field was stellar, he definitely earns points for that. But he started with tires of his choice, in a car that (because it was removed from park ferme) tuned to the extreme for race pace, and had what was definitely the most overpowered engine seen this year. It and all parts were brand new, and since there were spares for Abu Dhabi, he could burn it to the ground with maximum power settings the entire race. And the first lap shunts that required the pace car, any fuel savings for all went out the window. The vast majority of his passes were the easy DRS ones, and any others were other drivers not contesting position. And in the end, he did not manage his tires, and had nothing left for the last two laps.

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Hamilton, Ricciardo, Alonso

Bottas, Raikkonen, & Verstappen were only so so.

Vettel only performed up to expectations. No above and beyond.


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Hamilton was amazing.


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Bacus wrote:
Hamilton was amazing.


He really wasn't.

I probably would have finished fourth in that Mercedes.


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MasterRacer wrote:
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Hamilton was amazing.
He really wasn't.

I probably would have finished fourth in that Mercedes.
Only fourth? You undersell yourself.

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MasterRacer wrote:
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Hamilton was amazing.


He really wasn't.

I probably would have finished fourth in that Mercedes.


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