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Tomorrow's race looks doubly interesting!!!!!!!

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I want to see a Bottas train.


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It's a fairly short run to turn one, so hopefully everyone keeps it clean and Max can realize that he probably doesnt' have the pace to win here so settle and take an easy podium. Will be interesting. But yeah...I don't think Bottas will be able to keep Seb behind.


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Invade wrote:
I want to see a Bottas train.

You seem to be making it sound like this is something that happens often. I know he's been off the pace often, but the only time I can remember when he was in the lead and holding a big chunk of drivers up was at the start of Bahrain. And he had an issue at that stage anyway. The 2 races he got a great start and a win, he pulled away in the first stint. He may possibly be able to do the same this weekend. He's looked really close to Hamilton in all 3 practice sessions and then very strong in qualifying. And defending is probably Bottas's strongest point.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
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I want to see a Bottas train.

You seem to be making it sound like this is something that happens often. I know he's been off the pace often, but the only time I can remember when he was in the lead and holding a big chunk of drivers up was at the start of Bahrain. And he had an issue at that stage anyway. The 2 races he got a great start and a win, he pulled away in the first stint. He may possibly be able to do the same this weekend. He's looked really close to Hamilton in all 3 practice sessions and then very strong in qualifying. And defending is probably Bottas's strongest point.



Exactly. Vettel has tended to have better race pace so Bottas could well have to be defending for a long time with the Red Bull (Max) also able to keep up. Could be very interesting strategy tomorrow where timing and execution will be critical.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:17 pm 
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Invade wrote:
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Invade wrote:
I want to see a Bottas train.

You seem to be making it sound like this is something that happens often. I know he's been off the pace often, but the only time I can remember when he was in the lead and holding a big chunk of drivers up was at the start of Bahrain. And he had an issue at that stage anyway. The 2 races he got a great start and a win, he pulled away in the first stint. He may possibly be able to do the same this weekend. He's looked really close to Hamilton in all 3 practice sessions and then very strong in qualifying. And defending is probably Bottas's strongest point.



Exactly. Vettel has tended to have better race pace so Bottas could well have to be defending for a long time with the Red Bull (Max) also able to keep up. Could be very interesting strategy tomorrow where timing and execution will be critical.


Overtaking on track is never gonna happen imo, Vettel is going to have to make the undercut work, but I think he will.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Hamilton is starting from the pitlane.

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kleefton wrote:
Invade wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Invade wrote:
I want to see a Bottas train.

You seem to be making it sound like this is something that happens often. I know he's been off the pace often, but the only time I can remember when he was in the lead and holding a big chunk of drivers up was at the start of Bahrain. And he had an issue at that stage anyway. The 2 races he got a great start and a win, he pulled away in the first stint. He may possibly be able to do the same this weekend. He's looked really close to Hamilton in all 3 practice sessions and then very strong in qualifying. And defending is probably Bottas's strongest point.



Exactly. Vettel has tended to have better race pace so Bottas could well have to be defending for a long time with the Red Bull (Max) also able to keep up. Could be very interesting strategy tomorrow where timing and execution will be critical.


Overtaking on track is never gonna happen imo, Vettel is going to have to make the undercut work, but I think he will.


Yep and Brazil is not as easy to overtake as people think, it's hard to get near the car in front through he middle sector.
Bottas should cover Vettel off and pit first but let's see what happens.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:03 pm 
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Invade wrote:
I want to see a Bottas train.

You seem to be making it sound like this is something that happens often. I know he's been off the pace often, but the only time I can remember when he was in the lead and holding a big chunk of drivers up was at the start of Bahrain. And he had an issue at that stage anyway. The 2 races he got a great start and a win, he pulled away in the first stint. He may possibly be able to do the same this weekend. He's looked really close to Hamilton in all 3 practice sessions and then very strong in qualifying. And defending is probably Bottas's strongest point.


His one lap pace was close to Hamiltons, Hamilton was 0.2-0.3 ahead per lap on the long runs which put Bottas on similar pace to Ferrari and Verstappen

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Hamilton is starting from the pitlane.


Must be taking a full new engine then?

That should make Ricciardo Vs Hamilton quite interesting. Probably makes Ricciardo firm favourite now with Dan starting P14. I think Ricciardo can still get 5th with Hamilton 6th or even top 4 if a SC arrives at a good time for him.

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Reckon this week will be Kimi's turn to be crashed into by Verstappen.


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lamo wrote:
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Hamilton is starting from the pitlane.


Must be taking a full new engine then?

That should make Ricciardo Vs Hamilton quite interesting. Probably makes Ricciardo firm favourite now with Dan starting P14. I think Ricciardo can still get 5th with Hamilton 6th or even top 4 if a SC arrives at a good time for him.


Yeah it's a new engine.

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Reckon this week will be Kimi's turn to be crashed into by Verstappen.


I don't know Max is beside Kimi but directly behind Seb. Could go either way. :?

Valtteri will be on the clean line & Seb not so much.


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lamo wrote:
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Hamilton is starting from the pitlane.


Must be taking a full new engine then?

That should make Ricciardo Vs Hamilton quite interesting. Probably makes Ricciardo firm favourite now with Dan starting P14. I think Ricciardo can still get 5th with Hamilton 6th or even top 4 if a SC arrives at a good time for him.


In Sao Paulo, here's a good chance to see a SC.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:09 am 
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Reckon this week will be Kimi's turn to be crashed into by Verstappen.


Honestly if Max cannot get through turn 1 in Brazil unscathed then people should worry about his future in the sport big time. Nah but I really hope everyone keeps it clean and that shouldn't be too hard here.


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I feel for Hamilton and his fans, but he lost it in a very tricky section, cornering, going over a rise, and most likely caught in the transition point where he did not have enough throttle to shift enough weight onto the rear wheels. But his misfortune sure shakes things up.

Bottas is in a race with Vettel for 2nd in the WDC, and unless Hamilton can get up to second quickly, he is on his own and can not influence those behind him. For Vettel, a second place finish would position him in a strong position to secure second in the WDC. Which leads to the question whether we may see Raikkonen involved in possibly sacrificing his race. To be honest, I doubt that will play out. It's one thing to ask any driver to move over for his team mate fighting for the WDC, and doing the same when he is fighting for second.

This should be and I definitely hope this is an interesting race. I wonder where Alonso will finish.

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The Starting grid:

1 Valtteri Bottas
2 Sebastian Vettel
3 Kimi Raikkonen
4 Max Verstappen
5 Sergio Perez
6 Fernando Alonso
7 Nico Hulkenberg
8 Carlos Sainz
9 Felipe Massa
10 Esteban Ocon
11 Romain Grosjean
12 Stoffel Vandoorne
13 Kevin Magnussen
14 Daniel Ricciardo *
15 Pascal Wehrlein
16 Marcus Ericsson
17 Lance Stroll **
18 Brendon Hartley *
19 Pierre Gasly ***
20 Lewis Hamilton ****

* 10-place engine penalty
** five-place gearbox penalty
*** 25-place engine penalty
**** Pitlane start

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It will be interesting to see how much of an advantage Hamilton’s new PU will give him in the race.

He’ll have the luxury of being able to run in higher power modes for longer periods of time, as this engine now only has to do two races.

Or will the Mercedes achiles heel of being unable to closely follow cars negate that advantage.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:12 am 
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Really looking forward to this.

Hope Massa can have a good race, Alonso can hold onto a good position and Bottas can get away well so that we can have a good fight for the lead.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Really looking forward to this.

Hope Massa can have a good race, Alonso can hold onto a good position and Bottas can get away well so that we can have a good fight for the lead.

So that would be:

1. Felipe Massa
2. Valteri Bottas
3. Fernando "Felipe is faster than you" Alonso

I would take that in the heartbeat.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
The Starting grid:

1 Valtteri Bottas
2 Sebastian Vettel
3 Kimi Raikkonen
4 Max Verstappen
5 Sergio Perez
6 Fernando Alonso
7 Nico Hulkenberg
8 Carlos Sainz
9 Felipe Massa
10 Esteban Ocon
11 Romain Grosjean
12 Stoffel Vandoorne
13 Kevin Magnussen
14 Daniel Ricciardo *
15 Pascal Wehrlein
16 Marcus Ericsson
17 Lance Stroll **
18 Brendon Hartley *
19 Pierre Gasly ***
20 Lewis Hamilton ****

* 10-place engine penalty
** five-place gearbox penalty
*** 25-place engine penalty
**** Pitlane start


So Stroll's 5 place penalty has turned into a +1 place advantage :lol:

The rules on penalties may seem silly, but I don't really know what else they could do just yet that would make more sense.


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Merc giving Hamilton a completely new PU is to give him all the extra grunt needed.

They may even take a little extra downforce off too.

Does Hamilton start at the top of the Pit exit?


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I don't mean to be disrespectful but I really like it when top drivers start from the back, at least you get to see some overtaking and it's interesting to see how far up the field they can get!


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I don't mean to be disrespectful but I really like it when top drivers start from the back, at least you get to see some overtaking and it's interesting to see how far up the field they can get!


Hopefully the Merc wont be a complete dog in traffic this time round. An undamaged difuser should help.


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Lojik wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:
I don't mean to be disrespectful but I really like it when top drivers start from the back, at least you get to see some overtaking and it's interesting to see how far up the field they can get!


Hopefully the Merc wont be a complete dog in traffic this time round. An undamaged difuser should help.

I am excited to see how LH does today!


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I don't mean to be disrespectful but I really like it when top drivers start from the back, at least you get to see some overtaking and it's interesting to see how far up the field they can get!


Nothing disrespectful about that, I also love seeing a great drive from the back (steady now). I find it much more crass when people say "F1 is boring because there are no big crashes anymore".


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Going as per this tweet (with pictures), it can be confirmed it will be a dry & hot race:


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Wonder if the heat will cause similar troubles to Mexico & their elevation....

handful of retirements today?

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SDLRob wrote:
Wonder if the heat will cause similar troubles to Mexico & their elevation....

handful of retirements today?


It could as Sao Paulo is about 800m above sea level. Less air density could result in cooling issues.

Toro Rosso are looking atleast to go up in smoke.

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Wonder if the heat will cause similar troubles to Mexico & their elevation....

handful of retirements today?


It could as Sao Paulo is about 800m above sea level. Less air density could result in cooling issues.

Toro Rosso are looking atleast to go up in smoke.


And if the reports are correct, if they go bust today then they're not going to have anything left for the final race

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Lewis starting from the pitlane.

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Kimi DNS coming?

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I speculate whether any Toro Rosso Renault engine will perish.

Here's hoping for a safe and exciting race.

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Go on Hammy, get on that podium :D


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S/C! :)


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Grosjean [is such a disappointment]

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Great start by Vettel. But what a mess down the field!


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Horrendous driving by Grosjean.


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That was chaotic......

Vandoorme. K-Mag & Ocon all out

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