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Where is HAM going to win the 2017 WDC title?
Austin 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
Mexico 53%  53%  [ 31 ]
Brazil 31%  31%  [ 18 ]
Abu Dhabi 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Lose it 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
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Only thing conceivably that can stop LH winning the title now are incidents or unreliability.

How long and where will he be crowned Champ? He could even be WDC next race if he does well and Vettel has a bad result.


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Just realised Vettel could win all the remaining races with Hamilton 4th and Hamilton would still take it...

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Just realised Vettel could win all the remaining races with Hamilton 4th and Hamilton would still take it...

Three 5ths plus one 4th. Hamilton just needs 42 points if Vettel wins the remaining races.


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I've gone for Brazil, but that's more out of hope than expectation.

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Is Vettel a member of this forum? Someone has voted that Lewis will lose the championship.


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Hamilton should be super relaxed. Apart from winning, Ferrari too will assist Hamilton by giving Vettel a fragile car.

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owenmahamilton wrote:
Is Vettel a member of this forum? Someone has voted that Lewis will lose the championship.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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owenmahamilton wrote:
Is Vettel a member of this forum? Someone has voted that Lewis will lose the championship.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

MasterRacer perhaps? :)

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For the betterment of my health I chose Mexico.

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In the next two races one win and one fifth gives Hamilton the championship, regardless of where Vettel finishes.


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Japan.

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I think Brazil. Vettel will be within 50 points going in, but not within 25 coming out.


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owenmahamilton wrote:
Is Vettel a member of this forum? Someone has voted that Lewis will lose the championship.

Maybe if Lewis had back to back DNFs? But that never happens...

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wolfticket wrote:
owenmahamilton wrote:
Is Vettel a member of this forum? Someone has voted that Lewis will lose the championship.

Maybe if Lewis had back to back DNFs? But that never happens...


Lewis rarely makes mistakes. On top of that Mercedes car is very reliable. His DNF may come through some unfortunate incident such as someone hitting into his car, pit-stop error etc.

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I think Brazil. Vettel will be within 50 points going in, but not within 25 coming out.


That would be my guess too


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Bottas is now only 13 points behind Vettel meaning a Hamilton - Bottas 1-2 in USA, followed by a Bottas - Hamilton 1 -2 in Mexico gives Hamilton the championship and Bottas equal with Vettel (assuming he finishes 3rd in both races) making it a two race shoot out for second in the WDC.

I mean, I know it's only for second, but we are looking at looking at a highly likely Hamilton WDC, 2nd place is the closest fought position now.


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Yes, it's entirely possible Vettel won't even get 2nd in the WDC. Bottas may pip him in the end.


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wolfticket wrote:
Maybe if Lewis had back to back DNFs? But that never happens...

It happened to Vettel. All it takes is a Hamilton crash and his vibrating PU to go puff!


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Nothing is decided until everything is decided.

Let's hope this 'when' not 'if' thread doesn't come back to hurt the Hamilton fans. (Ok I do hope that...)

If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.


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MasterRacer wrote:
Nothing is decided until everything is decided.

Let's hope this 'when' not 'if' thread doesn't come back to hurt the Hamilton fans. (Ok I do hope that...)

If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.

Highly improbable, though. And it would still need to be combined with Vettel winning every race, which isn't guaranteed, either


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MasterRacer wrote:
Nothing is decided until everything is decided.

Let's hope this 'when' not 'if' thread doesn't come back to hurt the Hamilton fans. (Ok I do hope that...)

If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.



Thread says "where" not "when" and "Lose it" is an option.


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MasterRacer wrote:
Nothing is decided until everything is decided.

Let's hope this 'when' not 'if' thread doesn't come back to hurt the Hamilton fans. (Ok I do hope that...)

If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.

He's got more than 1 engine.

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Japan.

I see your Japan, and raise you a Singapore.

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I have to agree with a lot of what has been said above, the possibility of DNF's, car problems leading to grid penalties, Hamilton himself dropping the ball and making a mistake (I don't care who you rate the best, all the greatest have made a mistake or two) but, 59 point ahead, 100 to play for, if I'm right (which I am really), all he needs is 17 points in the last 4 races, regardless of Vettel's performances.

If I'm wrong please feel free to set me straight.

I voted for Brazil anyway, for Hamilton to wil in Austin would need to see Vetttel have another real crazy bad weekend and I just don't see that happening plus, Bottas is Merc's No 2 Driver.

Yes, he maybe able to get 2nd in the Championship and I'm sure he will still argue he can win it however, he will have to play the Team game and help Hamilton get the WDC, if he can get 2nd place, that will be a bonus but, I don't know if he's got it in him.

A damn good driver he is (maybe he'll be better in his 2nd year, more settled) but, is he WDC material, let's wait until next year to judge.

As for Ferrari, even though they have lookeked good ALL season, there was a nagging doubt abou the wheels falling off and maybe they have. MV does not hav a sporting background and from what I have read, the person at the top is ready to get rid of people to be able to win. Ths maybe thier own downfall, how many time has the Ferarri Team be reorganised since 2006?

They are looking for soeone to Gavnise the Team, like back in the Shumacher era (thus their interest in Max) but, Shumi had a raft of people who went with him and while I rate Max and agree he could lead, they would still need the right people and I don't think they come with him, unlike Shumi.


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Invade wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:
Nothing is decided until everything is decided.

Let's hope this 'when' not 'if' thread doesn't come back to hurt the Hamilton fans. (Ok I do hope that...)

If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.



Thread says "where" not "when" and "Lose it" is an option.


The poll does, the thread title frames the question in such a way that suggests the title is decided already.

It's definitely not over yet, but it isn't looking good for Seb I think we can all agree on that.


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100 points available in the next 4 races and Hamilton has a 59 point lead. Looks bleak for Vettel.

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Japan.

I see your Japan, and raise you a Singapore.

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Last corner of Brazil. He will pass a slowing Kyvat. Calling it now.

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It'll be at Mexico.

Austin is a Hamilton track, a win there means he needs one solitary 5th place from the last 3 races (assuming Vettel finishes 2nd in Austin which isn't guaranteed given how well Red Bull tend to go there).


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MasterRacer wrote:
If Hamilton's engine goes bang in the next race, that means nil points and a big grid penalty. Potentially a 50 point swing in two races. It is not impossible.

Hamilton's points lead is such that he can actually afford for this to happen.

Even if he then has a disaster at Brazil and finishes 5th, he still wins the title with a win in Abu Dhabi.


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As unlikely as it seems, it's happened to Hamilton himself before.

In his debut season, a DNF at the penultimate race in China (team error with tire life) plus an inexplicable technical issue at the start in Brazil handed a virtually-assured title to Kimi. Was as unlikely then as it is now, but the title isn't secure until he carries a 25+ point lead into the last race, or any other way it's mathematically impossible for Vettel.


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As unlikely as it seems, it's happened to Hamilton himself before.

In his debut season, a DNF at the penultimate race in China (team error with tire life) plus an inexplicable technical issue at the start in Brazil handed a virtually-assured title to Kimi. Was as unlikely then as it is now, but the title isn't secure until he carries a 25+ point lead into the last race, or any other way it's mathematically impossible for Vettel.

That was over the course of 2 races, which is a much smaller sample size.

Vettel needs to win the final 4 races and hope that Hamilton DNFs twice. Or that Mercedes is suddenly the 3rd best car and Hamilton goes from winning 5 of the last 7 races to suddenly unable to finish any higher than 5th while a car that's won 1 out of the last 10 races suddenly wins 4 on the spin.

Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.


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As unlikely as it seems, it's happened to Hamilton himself before.

In his debut season, a DNF at the penultimate race in China (team error with tire life) plus an inexplicable technical issue at the start in Brazil handed a virtually-assured title to Kimi. Was as unlikely then as it is now, but the title isn't secure until he carries a 25+ point lead into the last race, or any other way it's mathematically impossible for Vettel.

That was over the course of 2 races, which is a much smaller sample size.

Vettel needs to win the final 4 races and hope that Hamilton DNFs twice. Or that Mercedes is suddenly the 3rd best car and Hamilton goes from winning 5 of the last 7 races to suddenly unable to finish any higher than 5th while a car that's won 1 out of the last 10 races suddenly wins 4 on the spin.

Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.


Kimi had 3 wins and a second from the last 4 races. two no scores for Hamilton and that could be enough.


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The only place Vettel can win it now is AD too, even if Hamilton had 2 straight DNFs with Vettel winning, that would put Hamilton 9 points clear with 2 races to go. Just needs to win one and come 5th still.

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GingerFurball wrote:
chetan_rao wrote:
As unlikely as it seems, it's happened to Hamilton himself before.

In his debut season, a DNF at the penultimate race in China (team error with tire life) plus an inexplicable technical issue at the start in Brazil handed a virtually-assured title to Kimi. Was as unlikely then as it is now, but the title isn't secure until he carries a 25+ point lead into the last race, or any other way it's mathematically impossible for Vettel.

That was over the course of 2 races, which is a much smaller sample size.

Vettel needs to win the final 4 races and hope that Hamilton DNFs twice. Or that Mercedes is suddenly the 3rd best car and Hamilton goes from winning 5 of the last 7 races to suddenly unable to finish any higher than 5th while a car that's won 1 out of the last 10 races suddenly wins 4 on the spin.

Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.


Well I literally started my post with ' As unlikely....'.

The smaller sample size you allude to actually made it worse for the chasing driver in 2007. Making up nearly TWO race wins worth of points (17 then, 40-odd in today's terms) in TWO races, Vettel has double the opportunities theoretically.

I know it's unlikely on current form, but I just like my conclusions set in 'mathematical certainty' stone before popping the champagne. I'm pretty sure Hamilton would agree :)


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Kimi needed 1 DNF + 1 disastrous race from 2 in 2007
Vettel needs 2 DNF + 1 disastrous race from 4 races in 2017

In a probability sense, 2017 is more difficult especially given the car performance levels and the probability of failure of the respective Ferrari itself and of course most importantly Hamiltons experiences and approach. 2007 was so silly to lose, they lost it chasing the win in tricky conditions in China when P2 won him the title that day. Zero chance he will do that again as we saw in Malaysia.

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Hamilton has just announced his immediate retirement from F1.... Oh, no, that was not an option. Just not to let you think the poll was infallible :D


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