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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:52 am 
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Shows how hard it is to overtake, Hamilton couldn't get close enough to Bottas.

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Lol mercedes needing to use team orders to beat a slower rb


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Every single team on the grid would have done the same thing :nod:

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Every single team on the grid would have done the same thing :nod:


Yes, but when Mercedes does it, it's baaaaaaaaad.


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Red bull with DRS still lost time to the Mercedes on the straight


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F1_Ernie wrote:
Every single team on the grid would have done the same thing :nod:

Not Red Bull, not Ferrari (at least in China).

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Mercedes need to build a car that can follow other cars, Verstappen had no problems behind Bottas, the domination years are now over and they need to be able to race, Hamilton looks like he damaged his tyres just following Bottas for a few laps.

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
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Every single team on the grid would have done the same thing :nod:


Yes, but when Mercedes does it, it's baaaaaaaaad.


Of course, even though one driver has a chance of the win. :?

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F1Tyrant wrote:
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Every single team on the grid would have done the same thing :nod:

Not Red Bull, not Ferrari (at least in China).


China is abit different to now lol. Guarantee every team would let the driver through who is racing for the race win, it's common sense.

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The Bulls are catching, squeaky bum time.

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There is literally no point in 3 different compounds for each race. They always one stop, they need to change the tyres so there are more options for strategy.

I agree that 2 stop races are better for strategy. The problem is how do you do that while keeping the tyres that drivers can push on? I don't want to see them go back to cheese tyres but I would like to see strategy play a bigger part.

In an ideal world it would be tyres that wear the same no matter how you treat them and then drop off a cliff rapidly after x many laps, pushing everyone into a 2 stop race.


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Race pace seems rather comparable between Merc and Red Bull (and Ferrari).


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In an ideal world it would be tyres that wear the same no matter how you treat them and then drop off a cliff rapidly after x many laps, pushing everyone into a 2 stop race.

Wasn't that the concept Pirelli was aiming for in 2011. Seems an elusive combination given the speculated solution on layered tyres didn't work.

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USA TV announcers reporting that Vettel faces a "massive" fine for leaving the track now and not speaking to reporters.

Vettel clearly taking this loss very very hard.


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Invade wrote:
Race pace seems rather comparable between Merc and Red Bull (and Ferrari).

I think Hamilton is probably cruising engine mode wise. I imagine he has more available to him if Verstappen gets a little too close.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
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Race pace seems rather comparable between Merc and Red Bull (and Ferrari).

I think Hamilton is probably cruising engine mode wise. I imagine he has more available to him if Verstappen gets a little too close.


Yes, I feel the same. I'd be surprised if Hamilton can't maintain a decisive enough gap.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Invade wrote:
Race pace seems rather comparable between Merc and Red Bull (and Ferrari).

I think Hamilton is probably cruising engine mode wise. I imagine he has more available to him if Verstappen gets a little too close.

Yeah Hamilton seems to have decent pace now.

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
There is literally no point in 3 different compounds for each race. They always one stop, they need to change the tyres so there are more options for strategy.

I agree that 2 stop races are better for strategy. The problem is how do you do that while keeping the tyres that drivers can push on? I don't want to see them go back to cheese tyres but I would like to see strategy play a bigger part.

In an ideal world it would be tyres that wear the same no matter how you treat them and then drop off a cliff rapidly after x many laps, pushing everyone into a 2 stop race.


I prefer cheese tyres but that's just me. Watching the cars go round on the softest compounds for so long, all stop then race over is getting boring.
If you make the cars so they can't overtake you need to allow for strategy options.
Maybe using the US instead of the mediums could have made a difference.

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It'll take Hamilton's tyres going off completely I think, Bottas on very old softs was still gapping Verstappen down the main straight.

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
USA TV announcers reporting that Vettel faces a "massive" fine for leaving the track now and not speaking to reporters.

Vettel clearly taking this loss very very hard.

We've seen his interview in the media pen with Sky on UK TV so he has definitely talked to reporters. He seemed fine, very relaxed, he also got up on the pit wall and waved to the crowd.


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pokerman wrote:
The Bulls are catching, squeaky bum time.


Bit of a high speed procession to the flag now methinks, at least up front. Hamilton doing it easy in management mode

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Perez is going to take out Ocon attempting a pass, isn't he...

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Flash2k11 wrote:
It'll take Hamilton's tyres going off completely I think, Bottas on very old softs was still gapping Verstappen down the main straight.


He was complaining about the rear tires earlier. He is struggling this stint.


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Bloody Hulk disaster again. Points were well on offer

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Hulkenberg is furious

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
USA TV announcers reporting that Vettel faces a "massive" fine for leaving the track now and not speaking to reporters.

Vettel clearly taking this loss very very hard.

We've seen his interview in the media pen with Sky on UK TV so he has definitely talked to reporters. He seemed fine, very relaxed, he also got up on the pit wall and waved to the crowd.


OK, thanks for the correction. We normally get to see those interviews in the US but didnt with this one.

Any interesting comments from Vettel?


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mcdo wrote:
Bloody Hulk disaster again. Points were well on offer

Renault need to improve their reliabilty

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KMag again with some dodgy driving

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
USA TV announcers reporting that Vettel faces a "massive" fine for leaving the track now and not speaking to reporters.

Vettel clearly taking this loss very very hard.

We've seen his interview in the media pen with Sky on UK TV so he has definitely talked to reporters. He seemed fine, very relaxed, he also got up on the pit wall and waved to the crowd.


OK, thanks for the correction. We normally get to see those interviews in the US but didnt with this one.

Any interesting comments from Vettel?

Not really, said that it was disappointing but they'll go for it in the next few races and see what happens. General PR answers etc.


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pokerman wrote:
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Bloody Hulk disaster again. Points were well on offer

Renault need to improve their reliabilty


Aye, Just growing pains hopefully.

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KMag again with some dodgy driving

Thought that was fine, as did Brundle

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Ricciardo will need a change of underpants after that near miss

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mcdo wrote:
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KMag again with some dodgy driving

Thought that was fine, as did Brundle

He hit Massa's car, the fine bit probably is that it's not something to concern the stewards

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Lance's Williams was so close to collecting Ricciardo - would have been nasty. Curious as to what caused his puncture.


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Would have preferred a full safety car. Would have made some of the battles interesting to the end.


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Ricciardo will need a change of underpants after that near miss


He needs to figure out how to beat his teammate. jeez, max is blowing him away again.


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Vettel has to be gutted, he would have won this.

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Damn Fernando don't do that!

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Back markers didn't help Max out big time, poor by Alonso and Massa.

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Alonso under investigation for ignoring blues, backed Hamilton in Verstappen.

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