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2017 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
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Author:  lamo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:17 am ]
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Grosjean again

Author:  Herb [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:19 am ]
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Brundle jynxed that whilst following Magnussen on board.

Author:  mikeyg123 [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:20 am ]
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Yet another crash for Grosjean. If he was a young driver he'd be getting ripped apart.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:20 am ]
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Grosjean at it again!!!!!

Author:  mikeyg123 [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:21 am ]
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And once of again it is of course something wrong with the car.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:24 am ]
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mikeyg123 wrote:
And once of again it is of course something wrong with the car.


It was pure driver error.

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:24 am ]
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Grosjean blaming the car, he was off the track and got on the throttle, he's never getting a top drive

Author:  MasterRacer [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:28 am ]
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Grosjean having no luck with reliability recently

Author:  Sevenfest [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:29 am ]
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Is it a driver pushing over the limit to get the most out of a slow/badly set-up car, or is it a lack of talent? Obviously Lotus/Renault and Haas have seen something in him for him to keep his place all this time, but it's hard not to be frustrated by yet another incident.

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:29 am ]
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I'm just wondering why they have these historic cars dumping oil on the grid, they left oil on the starting grid as well in Malaysia?

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:30 am ]
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Sevenfest wrote:
Is it a driver pushing over the limit to get the most out of a slow/badly set-up car, or is it a lack of talent? Obviously Lotus/Renault and Haas have seen something in him for him to keep his place all this time, but it's hard not to be frustrated by yet another incident.

If you have lost control of the car why are you on the throttle?

Author:  lamo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:32 am ]
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Kimi and Bottas could come into play when Hamilton and Vettel make there first stop, they are going to need to be clear of the long running team mate of there rival. Kimi/Bottas battle here could be crucial.

Author:  mcdo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:33 am ]
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Watching Magnussen going through there he had to work a lot at the wheel to get the car through. The Haas was an awful lot of work. Wasn't at all surprised it was Grosjean in the wall

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:35 am ]
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Ok, Hamilton on pole then. noone is close to him.

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:38 am ]
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So am I deaf then? Where's Nico Rosberg in the commentary booth?

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:40 am ]
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lamo wrote:
Kimi and Bottas could come into play when Hamilton and Vettel make there first stop, they are going to need to be clear of the long running team mate of there rival. Kimi/Bottas battle here could be crucial.


Yep, both Bottas and Kimi are running Q2 on soft tires, therefore will start the race on softs.

Author:  Flash2k11 [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:40 am ]
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Invade wrote:
So am I deaf then? Where's Nico Rosberg in the commentary booth?


He has been with Lazenby and Herbert on the pre-show.

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:42 am ]
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Sevenfest wrote:
Is it a driver pushing over the limit to get the most out of a slow/badly set-up car, or is it a lack of talent? Obviously Lotus/Renault and Haas have seen something in him for him to keep his place all this time, but it's hard not to be frustrated by yet another incident.


Grosjean is quick, but he's always been a bit sloppy.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:49 am ]
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Ocon & Checo do form a formidable pair, more so for the midfield.

Author:  Flash2k11 [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:50 am ]
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Hamilton and Mercedes are looking ominous here, think they said Hamilton was going faster on that lap he abandoned at the end, and they tend to go quicker even more-so in Q3.

Author:  mcdo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:50 am ]
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Interesting move by McLaren to send Alonso out and knock Vandoorne out of Q3. He'll get the fresh tyres alright but there are places to be gained if any of the leaders run into trouble, especially with penalties getting dished out

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:51 am ]
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Hamilton almost a second faster than Verstappen. After what happened last week it really is an unbelievable turnaround.

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:53 am ]
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Flash2k11 wrote:
Hamilton and Mercedes are looking ominous here, think they said Hamilton was going faster on that lap he abandoned at the end, and they tend to go quicker even more-so in Q3.


Yeah a low 27 is probably likely for pole. He is absolutely flying.

Author:  mcdo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:55 am ]
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kleefton wrote:
Hamilton almost a second faster than Verstappen. After what happened last week it really is an unbelievable turnaround.

Malaysia exposed their flaws, Suzuka doesn't. That's pretty much it really

edit: Oh and temperature, the Merc manages the tyres better when it's colder

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:01 am ]
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The difference between Hamilton and Bottas remains pretty staggering as things stand. Vettel looking handy but Merc are faster.

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:06 am ]
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Far more respectable from Bottas on his second lap in Q3. Kimi not hooking anything up. Oh dear.

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:08 am ]
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Invade wrote:
Far more respectable from Bottas on his second lap in Q3.

He could have started in front of Vettel. :(

Author:  mcdo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:10 am ]
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With all these penalties I have no idea if Bottas and Kimi will be close to or nowhere near each other on the grid!

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:10 am ]
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pokerman wrote:
Invade wrote:
Far more respectable from Bottas on his second lap in Q3.

He could have started in front of Vettel. :(


Yeah - it looks like it would have been a good race for Merc to secure a 1-2 and easily block off Vettel, more or less. Seems to me Mercedes might have the race pace tomorrow to still accomplish that but Bottas will need an excellent start and Vettel makes the difference as a driver to boot.

Author:  RaggedMan [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:11 am ]
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What does the "Woe is me, Mercedes has been out developed" crew have to say now?

So much overreaction the past week.

Author:  Black_Flag_11 [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:11 am ]
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Invade wrote:
Far more respectable from Bottas on his second lap in Q3.

He's been pretty awful recently tbh. Hamilton had another tenth at least in there as he lost time in the 2nd and 3rd sectors so Bottas would have been .450 off a fully hooked up Hamilton.

Pretty crazy that this is considered good, I think the fact no other cars are within half a second of the Mercedes today has saved him, he really needs to step it up because he is performing poorly atm.

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:13 am ]
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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Invade wrote:
Far more respectable from Bottas on his second lap in Q3.

He's been pretty awful recently tbh. Hamilton had another tenth at least in there as he lost time in the 2nd and 3rd sectors so Bottas would have been .450 off an fully hooked up Hamilton.

Pretty crazy that this is considered good, I think the fact no other cars are within half a second of the Mercedes today has saved him, he really needs to step it up because he is performing poorly atm.



Yeah, overall I have to agree. Hamilton did appear a touch "safe" with pole in the bag and could have indeed squeezed another couple of tenths out of the car for something close to optimal. He had no pressure to take any particular risks or be on the edge through the second half of the lap. He sometimes does that btw when he nails early sectors compared to rivals (at least it feels so).

Author:  lamo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:17 am ]
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Its actually hard to watch Nico trying to stop himself from saying "for sure"

Author:  kleefton [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:19 am ]
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RaggedMan wrote:
What does the "Woe is me, Mercedes has been out developed" crew have to say now?

So much overreaction the past week.


I raise my hand as one of the guilty parties. I'm glad I was wrong though. :lol:

Author:  Option or Prime [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:22 am ]
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Invade wrote:
So am I deaf then? Where's Nico Rosberg in the commentary booth?


Perhaps he can't bring himself to comment on a Hamilton pole?

Author:  Invade [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:23 am ]
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The track temperature is certainly vital in constraining the operating windows for the tyres on the Merc. They had excellent mechanical and aerodynamic grip based on the evidence today (that's to say that their chassis isn't necessarily worse than Ferrari or Red Bull when conditions are suitable which BTW is still most of the time).

Author:  jiminwatford [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:29 am ]
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lamo wrote:
Its actually hard to watch Nico trying to stop himself from saying "for sure"


Yeh, good on him for trying but you can see him thinking about it 😃

Author:  LBET [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:39 am ]
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Zoue wrote:
Is there much difference between a qualifying and race setup?

Yes. The dilemma is do you set your car up to work optimally with enough fuel for 3 laps or for full tanks? One will make your car better in qualifying. Then there is fuel tank location and the effect fuel level has on the cars CG. It literally goes on and on. Oh, and of course the potential for rain needs to be taken into account.

Author:  Zoue [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:44 am ]
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Yep, Mercedes really struggling here, it seems.

Author:  lamo [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:49 am ]
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RaggedMan wrote:
What does the "Woe is me, Mercedes has been out developed" crew have to say now?

So much overreaction the past week.


You can only call what you see, Ferrari had the better race pace in 4 of the last 5 races (and qualifying too in 3/5) which ordinarily you would call track specific but they were very quick in Spa on race day which was a big anomaly.

We still have to see how tomorrows race goes, but it is certainly advantage Mercedes for the rest of the year now for me. For various reasons, Ferrari blew it when they had the car to get solid points on the board. Red Bull also seem unlikely to feature in the run in.

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