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Nice to see a Ferrari front row lockout.

Happy for Vettel.

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Meister Vettel! :) Well done Ferrari, front row! :)

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I can see a clean getaway Ferrari 1 - 2 after 1 lap. Kimi falling away from vettel and holding mercs up. Kimi jumped in the pits but too little too late. Vettel win


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Merc will need to get ahead of at least one Ferrari at the start to stay in contention. I suspect the Red Bulls could be in the mix if they don't DNF.


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UnlikeUday wrote:
Nice to see a Ferrari front row lockout.

Happy for Vettel.


Happy for Kimi you mean.


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Hoping for a Vettel win, Kimi P2 and Verstappen P3.


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Will we see Verstappen vs Hamilton at the start? Unstoppable force vs immovable object springs to mind.


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Bottas gets Raikkonnen.....Vettel and Bottas take off..Raikonnen holds up Hamilton...Bottas and Vettel pit 1st...Raikkonen..Hamilton and Verstappen luck into the best strategy...ala Verstappen im spain..people complain Merc and Ferrari screwed their drivers


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Will we see Verstappen vs Hamilton at the start? Unstoppable force vs immovable object springs to mind.

That's gonna be fun to watch.

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This is the grid lineup for tomorrow:
Vettel, Raikkonen;
Bottas, Hamilton;
Verstappen, Ricciardo;
Alonso, Vandoorne;
Sainz, Palmer;
Ocon, Hulkenberg;
Kvyat, Perez;
Grosjean, Magnussen;
Stroll, Wehrlein;
Di Resta, Ericsson.

Great for Ferrari & McLaren.

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I can see a clean getaway Ferrari 1 - 2 after 1 lap. Kimi falling away from vettel and holding mercs up. Kimi jumped in the pits but too little too late. Vettel win


Pretty much how I see it unfolding.


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One of the Mercedes cars will blow by Kimi at the start. Bottas is my guess who.


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One of the Mercedes cars will blow by Kimi at the start. Bottas is my guess who.


I am pretty sure that Kimi still remembers Bottas running into him in Baku so there could be some fireworks in turn 1 if they are side by side.


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Kvyat gets a 3 place grid penalty. Not only this, he gets 1 more penalty point, making his total to 10, 2 shy from race ban.

Updated grid then:
Vettel, Raikkonen;
Bottas, Hamilton;
Verstappen, Ricciardo;
Alonso, Vandoorne;
Sainz, Palmer;
Ocon, Hulkenberg;
Perez, Grosjean;
Magnussen, Kvyat;
Stroll, Wehrlein;
Di Resta, Ericsson.

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Given that we are halfway through the season, it may be interesting to extrapolate how the rest of the championship may unfold. This will obviously be incredibly simplified and involve a number of assumptions, but let's see where it leads.

There are 10 races left and it looks like only 2-3 of the remaining tracks suit Ferrari. I am generously going to give them 3. To make things straightforward, let's assume that the stronger team at a given track always finishes 1-2 while the weaker team finishes 3-4. I am also going to make the following assumptions largely based on driver performance in the first half of the season:
- Hamilton wins 4 out 7 races that favor Mercedes while Vettel wins all 3 races that favor Ferrari
- Hamilton finishes 3rd in 2 out of 3 races that Ferrari wins, while Vettel finishes 3rd in 6 out 7 races where Mercedes wins

Based on the above, Vettel is set to collect 75 (3 * 1st place) + 90 (6 * 3rd place) + 12 (1 * 4th place) for a total of 177 points. Added to his current total of 177 gives him 354 points at season's end.

Hamilton would get 100 (4 * 1st place) + 54 (3 * 2nd place) + 30 (2 * 3rd place) + 12 (1 * 4th place) for a total of 196 points. Added to his current total of 176 points gives him 372 points at the end, and a WDC title by an 18 point margin.

So it looks like Hamilton is the favorite to win it.


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So, since 2005, nobody has won the World Championship after winning the Hungarian GP. Vettel looks set to do so, barring some unforeseen circumstances.

BUT!

The driver who wins a Bahrain GP held on the normal circuit always wins the World Championship, unless it's Felipe Massa. If Vettel wins tomorrow, one of these two infallible predictors is wrong!

Should be a good race. Hoping for both Maccas in the points.

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Max, admittedly through brilliant driving, compromised Seb in Canada & Britain, I wonder will he be as aggressive with the Mercs tomorrow.

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Exediron wrote:
So, since 2005, nobody has won the World Championship after winning the Hungarian GP. Vettel looks set to do so, barring some unforeseen circumstances.

BUT!

The driver who wins a Bahrain GP held on the normal circuit always wins the World Championship, unless it's Felipe Massa. If Vettel wins tomorrow, one of these two infallible predictors is wrong!

Should be a good race. Hoping for both Maccas in the points.


How is it an infallible predictor when you're saying unless it's Massa.

That's like saying Alonso always wins the championship when he reaches Brazil in the fight, unless his rival is Hamilton or Vettel. :lol: You can't just make exceptions out of convenience and then say it's infallible.

I'll give you an infallible predictor. And it's had no exception in F1, ever.

Any driver, any driver in the history of F1, who has won at both Melbourne and Sakhir in the same year, has become champion that year. There, that's what you call infallible.


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1 stop strategy would be the preferred option. I'm expecting atleast 1 safety car period.

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SmoothRide wrote:
Given that we are halfway through the season, it may be interesting to extrapolate how the rest of the championship may unfold. This will obviously be incredibly simplified and involve a number of assumptions, but let's see where it leads.

There are 10 races left and it looks like only 2-3 of the remaining tracks suit Ferrari. I am generously going to give them 3. To make things straightforward, let's assume that the stronger team at a given track always finishes 1-2 while the weaker team finishes 3-4. I am also going to make the following assumptions largely based on driver performance in the first half of the season:
- Hamilton wins 4 out 7 races that favor Mercedes while Vettel wins all 3 races that favor Ferrari
- Hamilton finishes 3rd in 2 out of 3 races that Ferrari wins, while Vettel finishes 3rd in 6 out 7 races where Mercedes wins

Based on the above, Vettel is set to collect 75 (3 * 1st place) + 90 (6 * 3rd place) + 12 (1 * 4th place) for a total of 177 points. Added to his current total of 177 gives him 354 points at season's end.

Hamilton would get 100 (4 * 1st place) + 54 (3 * 2nd place) + 30 (2 * 3rd place) + 12 (1 * 4th place) for a total of 196 points. Added to his current total of 176 points gives him 372 points at the end, and a WDC title by an 18 point margin.

So it looks like Hamilton is the favorite to win it.


One fly in that WDC soup, Bottas.

He's within striking range of his teammate, is more than capable of dominating a race ergo also capable of taking a good chunk of points off Hamilton. Merc won't support one driver unless the other is out of contention, which doesn't seem like happening this season based on evidence so far. Hamilton himself hasn't been bullet-proof consistency-wise so I won't go about handing him the upper hand just because the Merc may be better than the red car at a majority of upcoming tracks.

P.S. Red Bull have a bunch of spanners they'd love to throw in there too. They aren't yet capable of winning totally on merit but good enough for podiums with better strategy.


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Good job from McLaren yesterday and with Hulk's penalty them both lining up behind the big 3 teams is impressive.

I'll wait and see if they make it to the end of the race though. If they can do that then we can maybe finally say they have made some progress (although the track may have something to do with that though).

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chetan_rao wrote:
One fly in that WDC soup, Bottas.


I accounted for that, assuming that Hamilton would win four races to Bottas' three and finish 3rd twice to Bottas' once. Of course Mercedes could get behind their leading driver in the last few races, which would increase their chances.


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Perez really doesn't hold back when giving out about his teammate

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Good job from McLaren yesterday and with Hulk's penalty them both lining up behind the big 3 teams is impressive.

I'll wait and see if they make it to the end of the race though. If they can do that then we can maybe finally say they have made some progress (although the track may have something to do with that though).


The track has EVERYTHING to do with that. Alonso said that they are still massively down on power, but that isnt needed at a track like this. You can expect normal miserable speeds to return once the cars are back on power circuits.

On another note, I'd like to see all those "McLaren can't build a chassis" people come back. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Got a feeling we will see a Mercedes lead after T1 today.

Hopefully we get another good race here, we've been spoilt a bit over the last few years.


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Bottas looks seriously psychotic in that big banner....

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Got a feeling we will see a Mercedes lead after T1 today.

Hopefully we get another good race here, we've been spoilt a bit over the last few years.


That would be an amazing start by Mercedes, but not one that is likely to happen IMO.


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Got a feeling we will see a Mercedes lead after T1 today.

Hopefully we get another good race here, we've been spoilt a bit over the last few years.


I doubt it would be Hamilton as he's starting on the dirtier side. Vettel, Bottas & Verstappen have an edge when taking this factor to mind for the start.

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"I think it’s going to be an easy breeze for them . Getting past the Ferraris will be almost impossible unless they have problems."

What an absolutely shocking attitude from Hamilton. Where is the fight and racer in him? Anything can happen on race day.


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"I think it’s going to be an easy breeze for them . Getting past the Ferraris will be almost impossible unless they have problems."

What an absolutely shocking attitude from Hamilton. Where is the fight and racer in him? Anything can happen on race day.


I think I've read about half a dozen quotes from various drivers about how impossible it is to pass here.

Hardly a Hamilton thing.


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rivf1 wrote:
"I think it’s going to be an easy breeze for them . Getting past the Ferraris will be almost impossible unless they have problems."

What an absolutely shocking attitude from Hamilton. Where is the fight and racer in him? Anything can happen on race day.


Not really, i guess that's how most people see the grand prix.

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Hamilton on the radio pre-race seems to suggest he's skeptical of a one-stop, rears won't last. Strange thing to say on public radio.


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chetan_rao wrote:
Hamilton on the radio pre-race seems to suggest he's skeptical of a one-stop, rears won't last. Strange thing to say on public radio.


How else do you expect him to talk to his pits?


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
chetan_rao wrote:
Hamilton on the radio pre-race seems to suggest he's skeptical of a one-stop, rears won't last. Strange thing to say on public radio.


How else do you expect him to talk to his pits?


Not reading much into it, just seemed a strange thing to say before the race has even started. Even the commentators are discussing whether it's Merc trying to bluff.

Max bumped off Ricciardo!


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Riccardo out already?

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Riccardo out already?


Yip. Verstappen hit him.


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Here comes the Kimi train.

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Safety car. So Raikkonen will be 3rd after the restart.


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What a disastrous start for Red Bull!!


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Big error by Max...

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