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NUMBER OF LAPS: 55

CIRCUIT LENGTH: 5.554 KM

RACE DISTANCE: 305.355 KM

LAP RECORD: 1:40.279
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I'm quite looking forward to this race. Sad it's the last one of the season though.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:35 am 
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VET, HAM and VER within 0,150 seconds. Still early but the nr. 1 drivers and showing their value.
That Bottas onboard cameraview on the Halo makes me wanna turn off the tv though... I hope to god they will reconsider it.


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Closest pairing in the first session were the McLaren drivers, with half a tenth separating them. Contrast that with Ferrari (5 tenths), Mercedes (6 tenths) and Red Bull (1.6s!).


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Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:42 am 
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Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:57 am 
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Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really



As usual, Grosjean does a kiss my Haas


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moby wrote:
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really



As usual, Grosjean does a kiss my Haas

Haha, nice!


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Danny Ric giving the middle finger to Grosjean, beauty! Then Grosjean spins in the last corner a few laps later and blames the car. One more year left in F1 RoGro?


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Siao7 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really


If it didn't happen at every grand prix I would agree. What part of the car caused it this week?


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mikeyg123 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really


If it didn't happen at every grand prix I would agree. What part of the car caused it this week?


Don't know, ask him I guess?


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...


He spun and "kissed" the barrier as reported:

"Grosjean spins at Turn 19 and kisses the barrier with the rear of his Haas. He has since returned to the pitlane for a checkover for any damage."

This is when driver push the cars and the track hasn't got much rubber on it. Nothing to see really


If it didn't happen at every grand prix I would agree. What part of the car caused it this week?



The nut on the steering wheel?


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Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


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Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


So very true. There's nothing like a "downer" to make a good team lose focus...


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I'm quite looking forward to this race. Sad it's the last one of the season though.

Seasons need to end to give time to build up the following season, I think the season has been long enough.

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Obviously Grosjean crashes. The excuse this time is...

Apparently the car, interesting in the interview today in regards to his collision with Ocon there was no talk of any puncture.

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Seems like Hamilton and Vettel are making the difference once again.

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sandman1347 wrote:
Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


Grosjean has been very vocal about issues with the car all season. Given that he has about two weeks, on average, between race weekends to voice his concerns and displeasure out of the public eye, it's clear that he does it on purpose. I can only assume that his motivation is to let other teams know very clearly that it's the car letting him down and not his talent or lack thereof. The car does seem to have issues, braking stability being a major one, but I don't think it's a good tactic to complain during a race weekend when nothing can be done other than tweak the setup. It's not going to endear him to anyone, and it would be much more impressive if he focused on getting every little bit of performance out of the car, delivering good results in the process.


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sandman1347 wrote:
Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


Given that the car is probably the worst on the grid in average and definitely the most difficult to drive and given the points total the two scored despite this, I am not so sure any upgrading is available.


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If Hamilton finishes in the points tomorrow, it will be every race completed and every finish in the points over the course of a season. Has anybody done that before?


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If Hamilton finishes in the points tomorrow, it will be every race completed and every finish in the points over the course of a season. Has anybody done that before?

Unless there are some earlier examples when the season was shorter, M. Schumacher in 2002 would be the only other to achieve this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... s_finishes

EDIT: Fangio did it in 1954 if you ignore the Indy 500, which counted toward the drivers championship points but he and his rivals did not take part in.

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Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


Given that the car is probably the worst on the grid in average and definitely the most difficult to drive and given the points total the two scored despite this, I am not so sure any upgrading is available.

What on earth makes you think the car is the worst on the grid? The Sauber has been worse in almost every race and the Haas has at times been solidly in the middle of the pack. Frankly I haven't seen Kevin struggle with the brakes the way Grosjean does every weekend.

The main thing is that Grosjean has no reasonable expectation of a top car. He joined a brand new team and should expect some difficulties. The negativity isn't going to help things.


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Haas would do well to replace Ro-Gro. It's not just the spins (which seem to happen every race weekend), it's the negativity that he seems to exude from his pores. This guy is such a downer in terms of his words and demeanor. I think Haas can do better; regardless of their rationale for hiring him. I would also say that Kevin has that same negative energy about him as well as a habit of upsetting other drivers with his on-track actions. Haas should really consider upgrading.


Given that the car is probably the worst on the grid in average and definitely the most difficult to drive and given the points total the two scored despite this, I am not so sure any upgrading is available.

What on earth makes you think the car is the worst on the grid? The Sauber has been worse in almost every race and the Haas has at times been solidly in the middle of the pack. Frankly I haven't seen Kevin struggle with the brakes the way Grosjean does every weekend.

The main thing is that Grosjean has no reasonable expectation of a top car. He joined a brand new team and should expect some difficulties. The negativity isn't going to help things.


Worst atleast in getting problems resolved. How can a F1 team keep facing brake issues for 2 years?

Considering Grosjean & Magnussen, it would really be such a demotivation to be a crew member within the team. Grosjean's moans & Magnussen's groans really are too much to handle.

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What strikes me is how impressive Ferrari and Mercedes engines have been.

Vettel is the only driver in a Mercedes/Ferrari powered car to go over his 4 engine component allocation (as Hamilton’s was changed since he was starting from the back anyway, not due to reliability issues). That’s really impressive stuff, especially when no Renault or Honda powered car has stayed within its allocation. I really hope Renault get it together with both Red Bull and McLaren now dependant on them.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:26 pm 
Vettel was also only changed due to starting at the back


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This is easy weasy for Hamilton to get pole here.

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This is easy weasy for Hamilton to get pole here.

Bottas looks a little fiesty but it's only Q1...

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Perez currently has 3 reprimands. Surely he will get another for what he did on Hulkenberg. What is it that happens when you get 3 reprimands?


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Vettel was also only changed due to starting at the back

I thought he had a genuine failure in Malaysia or Japan that meant he had to change engine?

Even more impressive then if so, you can see why Horner isn’t happy about the engine limit going down to 3 next year.


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Could Hamilton be sacrificing pole to get in between Bottas & vettel? Mercedes surely would like a 1-2 in WDC table as well.

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Could Hamilton be sacrificing pole to get in between Bottas & vettel? Mercedes surely would like a 1-2 in WDC table as well.

No chance, Hamilton wants to chase Michael's win tally and will be looking for poles and wins regardless of Botta's position in the WDC. Bottas ahead on merit by the looks of it.

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Hamilton had that pole in his grasp, congrats bottas

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This is easy weasy for Hamilton to get pole here.


And yet, not...

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That is certainly a positive for Bottas. He needed this. Considering he had an old engine and Hamilton could throw all he had with his much newer one, that makes it pretty impressive. I just hope he can win tomorrow.


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Nice way for Massa to finish his carrier with that Q3 spot. The only that bettered his time in the last stage of Q2.

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Ben Edwards should be severely reprimanded for his "Valterei Bottas has stolen pole position" line. So disrespectful.


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UnlikeUday wrote:
Could Hamilton be sacrificing pole to get in between Bottas & vettel? Mercedes surely would like a 1-2 in WDC table as well.

Vettel just needs to finish 8th to get that 2nd place in WDC


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:12 pm 
Congratulations to Val', should be a good fight for the win tomorrow. Hamilton may be able to overtake once Bottas struggles after the pit stop.

This year has all but confirmed which tracks Hamilton is weak on over 1 lap. Rosberg beat him in AD qualifying by 0.4 in both 2014 and 2015. Hamilton now 4-1 down in qualifying in AD over the last 5 seasons. Usually has good race pace though.


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Congrats Valteri on a great lap. He seems to be getting better, but now can he win tomorrow?
Hulk way ahead of Sainz, I rate Hulk as a very very good qualifier and the gap to his teammate was huge this weekend, reminiscent of the gap to Palmer...
Ricc got Max by a good margin. It was time for him to score a win, as Max has been dragging him the last few weekends.
Perez just peeping Ocon again, it's been happening seemingly all year.
Alonso continuing his mastery of Vandoorne.
Massa once again so much faster than Stroll. Stroll just has no one lap pace whatsoever. It is a glaring weakness which I don't think is fixable.
I was surprised by the Ferrari lack of pace here, in the final sector they just couldn't match Merc when it should have been their playing ground. I guess we must credit Merc for improving the car where it has been poor most of the year. Next year does not look promising for Ferrari and the others I must admit. Merc seems to have made strides over the field once again.


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