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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:40 pm 
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I thought that it would be interesting to add up the amount of points each team has got over the hybrid era of Forumla 1. Even though I knew Mercedes were by far the strongest overall, the fact that they have collected over 1300 more points than the next team is just incredible.

This is the way I wrote it to add it up. It isn’t the most tidy, please forgive me!

I wrote the team order just based on the 2014 season and added the rest from then. Also adding in the new teams.



Mercedes: 2014: 701 2015: 703 2016: 765 2017: 688 2018: 655

Red Bull: 2014: 405 2015: 187 2016: 468 2017: 368 2018: 419

Williams: 2014: 320 2015: 257 2016: 138 2017: 83 2018: 7

Ferrari: 2014: 216 2015: 428 2016: 398 2017: 522 2018: 571

McLaren: 2014: 181 2015: 27 2016: 76 2017: 36 2018: 62

Force India: 2014: 155 2015: 136 2016: 173 2017: 187 2018: 52 (111 if adding up the drivers points)

Toro Rosso: 2014: 30 2015: 67 2016: 63 2017: 53 2018: 33

Lotus 2014: 10 2015: 78

Marussia/Manor: 2014: 2 2015: 0 2016: 1

Sauber: 2014: 0 2015: 36 2016: 2 2017: 5 2018: 48

Caterham: 2014: 0

Renault: 2016: 8 2017: 57 2018: 122

Hass: 2016: 29 2017: 47 2018: 93



When looking at this, the saddest thing will be Willaims. Look at how dramatically they have gone downhill. Quite a big step down each season, then a huge amount more when Massa left.

The other team that has just been disappointing pretty much every season is McLaren. They had a really good engine in 2014, but they just didn’t seem to have a good car. I think it was that they struggled to work well with Honda that was the main issue. I don’t think it was quite as bad as they were making out. Toro Rosso seemed to get on OK and got similar points as they had been without it. And now Red Bull have it too, it shows they have a lot of confidence with it. And given McLaren got less points last year with Renault than they did with Honda in 2016 shows that they really are struggling.

Force India are looking very consistent. Over 100 points every season if you ignore what happened this year.








Total in order of points:

1. Mercedes: 3512
2. Ferrari: 2135
3 .Red Bull: 1847
4. Williams: 805
5. Force India: 703 (762 if adding up the drivers points)
6. McLaren: 382
7. Toro Rosso: 246
8. Renault: 187
9. Hass: 169
10. Sauber: 91
11. Lotus: 88
12. Marussia/Manor: 3
13. Caterham: 0


This is the order of the total number of points each team got. I wasn’t sure if I should combine Lotus and Renault. I didn’t in the end. If I did, they would have 275 and jump Toro Rosso.

There are a few interesting things about this list. Red Bull overall have not been that much worse than Ferrari. If they didn't have such bad reliability, they could have possibly got more points over this time. Weather it would have changed any constructors positions in the actual seasons, I’m not sure.

It is nice to see that Williams have got the 4th highest number of points. But they got over 70% of their points over 2014 and 2015. I don’t have much hope for them now and I don’t think they have a strong line up either.

Hass have done very well for how long they have been here. But I think Grosjean and Magnussen underperformed last season. Magnussen was more consistent, but when Grosjean was getting the most out of the car, it was when there wasn’t as much of an opportunity for good points. He was terrible at the start of the season. That car was stronger than either of the drivers made it look. I think Grosjean is the quicker and better of the two, but he needs to be more consistent. I think Hass should have easily beaten Renault last year.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:52 am 
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I think as regards McLaren you need to look a bit beyond the points. In 2016 they had JB contributing a lot more points than Vandoorne did in 2018, while Alonso suffered many more non-PU related retirements in 2018. Also by their own admission they produced a complete dog in 2018, not least because of the compromises they were forced to make due to the last minute change of PU. And they messed up terribly with their inexplicable choice of gear ratios in 2018, which severely hampered their performances. I don't think you can look at the stats in isolation and draw any conclusions regarding their relative performances with Honda and Renault. If anything, you might say it's surprising that the points were so close in the years described, given how hopeless the 2018 car was.

One thing's for sure in my mind: they don't have any excuses for a poor performance this year. I'm not expecting them to win the title, but at the very least they should be fighting at the front of the midfield IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:44 am 
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Interesting stats.
Williams decline is amazing, Toro Rosso always been steady.
Ferrari slow steady improvement.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:26 pm 
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Williams downfall and more than 1000 points between RBR and Renault 8O

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