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Williams 2 seconds adrift. :(

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Really sad to see Williams as the new Minardi :( .


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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.


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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.

I believe last year was mostly down to the issue they had with the floor. If the form book remains like this throughout the weekend, I think it means that Mercedes have a better package.


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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.


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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.

I believe last year was mostly down to the issue they had with the floor. If the form book remains like this throughout the weekend, I think it means that Mercedes have a better package.

Traditionally it's been a good track for Mercedes and the track itself can be a bit of an outlier, nevertheless it's a good sign for Mercedes if Ferrari looked quicker here then that would mean that Mercedes are in trouble.

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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.

I believe last year was mostly down to the issue they had with the floor. If the form book remains like this throughout the weekend, I think it means that Mercedes have a better package.


Yeah true, but the balance of power will probably shift from track to track, everybody still maintains that the Merc looks twitchy on track, but yet we can see that it is still really fast. There are some tracks where they will be behind Ferrari for sure, and it might be more often than not. Who knows? Exciting season ahead I think.


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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.

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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.


Yeah, finished in front of Perez in both sessions 8O


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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.

I believe last year was mostly down to the issue they had with the floor. If the form book remains like this throughout the weekend, I think it means that Mercedes have a better package.


Yeah true, but the balance of power will probably shift from track to track, everybody still maintains that the Merc looks twitchy on track, but yet we can see that it is still really fast. There are some tracks where they will be behind Ferrari for sure, and it might be more often than not. Who knows? Exciting season ahead I think.

True. Last year after Australia I was convinced that Mercedes had the best car only to see Ferrari have the edge for the next three rounds. Anything can happen when it's this early. Honestly I don't think Ferrari have come close to showing their hand yet. We'll find out in qualifying.


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Yeah Merc have stepped up and it'll be interesting to see how Ferrari react tomorrow. Still very hard to sort the pecking order out after 2 sessions.

Late session power issue for Gasly.

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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


Maybe Stroll did improve a lot after he was thrashed by Massa 2 years ago. I always felt he was a good racer, but was not sure about his outright pace.


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kleefton wrote:
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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


Maybe Stroll did improve a lot after he was thrashed by Massa 2 years ago. I always felt he was a good racer, but was not sure about his outright pace.

I felt the opposite


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pokerman wrote:
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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


Perez did well against a very talented Hulkenberg when they were together (although he didn't quite outperform him). So if Stroll can match Perez, especially as the new driver, I think that's great for him.


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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


Maybe Stroll did improve a lot after he was thrashed by Massa 2 years ago. I always felt he was a good racer, but was not sure about his outright pace.

I felt the opposite


Stroll's biggest problem, I felt, was qualifying, race-craft and consistency. He certainly has some solid pace, especially in the rain. Be interesting to see if he has grown and matured as a driver. The kid definitely has talent.


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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


Maybe Stroll did improve a lot after he was thrashed by Massa 2 years ago. I always felt he was a good racer, but was not sure about his outright pace.

I felt the opposite


Interesting. I felt he gained a lot of positions at the start of races last year, even with that awful Williams car he has had at his disposal. He never crashes out of races. The way Massa destroyed him in qualifying is what made me question his outright pace, or qualifying pace but in the race he is usually pretty safe. It is hard to stand out when you are driving the slowest car but he brought it home almost all the time. Maybe he will enlighten us more this year with what should be a much better car.


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pokerman wrote:
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Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.

Towing Ocon out for good with him.


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Damn those upside down people and their funny time zones, I wake up and I've missed not one but two sessions!

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Is it too early to have my hopes up for Alfa Romeo being somewhat competitive or even the "best of the rest"?

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Tassadar wrote:

Really sad to see Williams as the new Minardi :( .


It's not fair to Minardi... They look more like Pacific Racing (even their livery is a reminder) which is sadder.

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pokerman wrote:
Tassadar wrote:
Very impressed with Stroll so far. Looking good in that Racing Point.

If Stroll was to beat Perez then Perez is on a road to nowhere.


If Stroll beats Perez it's dire news for a lot of drivers - Hulk and Ocon to start.

Either that or Massa and Sirotkin need to be brought straight back into F1 and into top drives.


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Is it too early to have my hopes up for Alfa Romeo being somewhat competitive or even the "best of the rest"?


I think Alfa have the 4th best car. They may get pipped by Renault though as I think they have the better drivers.


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Is it too early to have my hopes up for Alfa Romeo being somewhat competitive or even the "best of the rest"?


I think Alfa have the 4th best car. They may get pipped by Renault though as I think they have the better drivers.

You may be right, the performance of Giovinazzi is still a question mark though.

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Autosport looking real frickin dumb right now after all the videos they posted trashing Merc for having a disasterous preseason

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Harpo wrote:
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Really sad to see Williams as the new Minardi :( .


It's not fair to Minardi... They look more like Pacific Racing (even their livery is a reminder) which is sadder.


According to both drivers car is close to undriveable at least on this track, and they can't even touch the kerbs coz it's gonna destroy the suspension xD

Merc and Ferrari both didn't show a true pace yet, and doubt they will do before Q3. The middle pack seems to be pretty close and that's positive thing about the season, I see a lot of space for a drivers to shine there. Williams is not even on F1 level right now which is a bit pathetic.


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Vettel is claiming their pace today wasn't sandbagging, and that they are struggling to set up the car correctly:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... e/4353088/


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Autosport looking real frickin dumb right now after all the videos they posted trashing Merc for having a disasterous preseason

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As with most years in melbourne, dont take too much notice of this weekend. Its not a barometer for the season. hamilton was 7 tenths quicker then the ferraris in quali last year. its a funny track. when you look at the ease in which vettel and leclerc were able to do their fastest testing laps i would be very very suprised if ferrari dont fundamentally have the quickest car this year. of course merc wont be far off and it will probably swing around like last year though.


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Autosport looking real frickin dumb right now after all the videos they posted trashing Merc for having a disasterous preseason

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Melbourne is an odd track. Rarely indicative of car performance.


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Seeing Williams looking like being a pair of mobile chicanes this season makes me very sad. It's looking like a car that is going to be lapped by the entire field.

As for true pace.... this time tomorrow we will know a lot more. The long runs in FP3 and Qualifying will give us a good idea who is where.

Bold prediction - Red Bull to have the #2 car this season, behind Mercedes.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:29 am 
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So who was sandbagging more, Ferrari today or Mercedes in testing :lol:


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Looks to me Mercedes are clear favorites. They improved much more than Ferrari from FP1 to FP2 and the improvement Ferrari did is probably closer to track evolution times which means Mercedes were sandbagging in FP1.

Maybe.

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Personally believe that Mercedes learned a lot more regarding their package in testing than Ferrari did.. Bottas interview on Sky F1 indicated they had developed a lot with the knowledge they gained over the previous two weeks.

Vettel in an interview does believe Mercedes are in a league of their own here though..

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Vettel jokingly referred to pre-season claims of Mercedes struggling as "bullshit", before adding that he was genuinely surprised by its performance.

"It was a bit of a surprise," he said. "I thought they looked really quick.

"And I don't know if it was just us struggling a bit today, or also others, but as a matter of fact I think they were in a league of their own.

"Maybe everyone else was struggling and then we can turn it around, but they certainly look very strong and much stronger than they claimed before the weekend."

~Autosport: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14213 ... in-its-own


Will see tomorrow and Sunday who has been carrying the heaviest sandbags.. Although Albert Park is a bit of an odd circuit to use for a gauge, its a good sign for Mercedes to be quick here if they were in deed in trouble post-testing.


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Wait what have I missed? Wasn't Ferrari in a clear lead a month ago and then Mercedes owns both practice sessions here in Australia? How can that change so quickly?

Just when I thought Ferrari was finally having a good run.


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So from "we are 0.5 sec behind" to almost 1 sec ahead. Apart from the obvious (that it's FP2, it's Melbourne, usually an outlier, etc.) that's a pretty hefty swing of almost 1.5 sec to Mercedes. Not only that, but Ferrari seem to be behind the RB duo as well.

On the flip side, both Ferrari drivers seem to be confident that there are places to improve, so this deficit is not the end for the Ferrari duo. It is almost certain that Ferrari did indeed sandbag (or didn't get the settings right), as Vettel's pace on the soft was very close to Leclerc's on the medium. So there's that to consider too.

But Vettel calling Mercedes's claims bullshit while Ferrari are potentially sandbagging themselves is precious!


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Info from F1's official website.

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Ferrari either are in 1st position (sandbagging) or 2nd position at the worst. Hence, Ferrari can be slotted in 2nd place. Alfa Romeo being so high seems deceiving.

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Commentators saying that Bottas long runs in the low 28s, Leclerc mid to high 28s, Vettel low 29s. I don't think anybody is sandbagging in long runs, so I think Merc is going to ace this weekend. Ferrari maybe not that comfortable in Melbourne, they struggled there too last year.

I believe last year was mostly down to the issue they had with the floor. If the form book remains like this throughout the weekend, I think it means that Mercedes have a better package.


Yeah true, but the balance of power will probably shift from track to track, everybody still maintains that the Merc looks twitchy on track, but yet we can see that it is still really fast. There are some tracks where they will be behind Ferrari for sure, and it might be more often than not. Who knows? Exciting season ahead I think.

True. Last year after Australia I was convinced that Mercedes had the best car only to see Ferrari have the edge for the next three rounds. Anything can happen when it's this early. Honestly I don't think Ferrari have come close to showing their hand yet. We'll find out in qualifying.

That in part was because Ferrari had a problem with the car which required a new floor.

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Melbourne is an odd track. Rarely indicative of car performance.


Agreed, but even so the narrative that autosport were pushing that Merc were having some sort of crisis and Ferrari were a mile ahead during testing is pretty much completely debunked

Also I feel this year Aus could be more of an indicator than has historically been the case. Most reg changes for 2019 were with respect to the front wing and front downforce, Aus needs a reactive front end so showing they've adapted to the regs is good sign for merc


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Yeah Merc have stepped up and it'll be interesting to see how Ferrari react tomorrow. Still very hard to sort the pecking order out after 2 sessions.

Late session power issue for Gasly.

Has anyone spotted Teddy K on the TV yet?

No but I see he is active on the Sky F1 twitter page.

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